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Amos 3:7 A Love of The Truth
AI and End Times: Exploring Technology's Role in Biblical Prophecy
What if the rise of artificial intelligence is more than just a technological revolution? Join us for a compelling discussion with Patrick Wood, Scott Townsend, and Britt Jolette as we navigate the intricate crossroads of AI advancement and end times Bible prophecy. Explore contrasting views on AI's potential, from the Wall Street Journal's skepticism to experts like Jeffrey Hinton who caution its growing power. Scott Townsend brings his software development experience to the table, offering insights into AI's current capabilities and its future possibilities. Could AI be the catalyst for a new industrial era, and what does that mean for our financial systems?
As our conversation unfolds, we challenge misconceptions about AI, positioning it as a powerful tool rather than a true intelligence. We draw parallels between today's technological advancements and biblical narratives, raising ethical questions about AI's role in systems of control. Consider the transformative impact of AI on society and its potential involvement in future events as predicted in biblical prophecy. Are we witnessing a modern-day Tower of Babel, and what moral responsibilities do we bear in this rapidly evolving landscape?
Finally, we address the profound implications of AI on the job market, predicting significant job displacement and the urgent need for skill adaptation. As we discuss the looming specter of a "beast system" through centralized digital currencies and data control, we emphasize the importance of spiritual readiness and courage. This episode is a call to action, urging us to focus on spiritual growth and to embrace faith as a guiding force in these uncertain times. Tune in to consider how we can remain vigilant amidst rapid change and align ourselves with the timeless truths that endure.
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There we go, there you go, got it now, okay, okay, everyone. Good evening. This is John Haller from Fellowship Bible Chapel and Prophecy Update. I have with me good friends. They've become good friends over the last year. Patrick Wood, technocracynews. Scott Townsend from Iamawatchmancom and Britt Jollett I'm sorry from End Times Bible Prophecynews. Scott Townsend from Iamawatchmancom and Britt Jolette from End Times Bible Prophecy. Good evening everyone.
Speaker 1:So, we're going to talk about. We're going to have sort of a generalized discussion for probably a couple hours on digital AI-related topics and sort of how they relate to end times Bible prophecy. We're going to be a little bit specific in some cases, but I'm also going to sort of give you a forewarning that, as we do these every month or so we try to over the past year, as we delve further and further into this it's like I think Scott mentioned this before and I'll just I'll paraphrase what he said. It almost seems like we're sort of staring into the abyss, because there's some things that are happening that are very significant. So let me start off with this sort of observation.
Speaker 1:About a week ago, the Wall Street Journal ran an article and it was from one of the executives at Meta Facebook, and in that article he said AI will always be as dumb as my cat. It will never be that good. It will never be that problematic. Now there are other people that disagree with that. We've referenced them over the last year Jeffrey Hinton, who is very negative on AI he resigned from Google just won a Nobel Prize for his work in artificial intelligence. So, guys, let's just have a little discussion about do you think this AI stuff is real or is it masking a bigger problem that we're facing? Scott?
Speaker 3:why don't you start off? Sure, I'd be happy to. I work with AI every day for software development and other initiatives that I'm working on, so I use it for programming assistance. I agree, my experience has been very interesting about using AI. In here I'm talking about open AIs models, including chat, gpt and various models thereof there's. They improve them every six months or so. I use a Claude from Anthropic and I use several others.
Speaker 3:So I think that one of the things that I've noted is that, john, to your point, it does act very, I would say. Sometimes it's just downright stupid. I mean, it just loses context of your conversational stream and if there's any level of complexity, such as when you're developing software, it can get lost. It can forget things, and it's been described this way in simple English terms Just like the human mind, ai has the ability to listen really well at the beginning of a conversation and listen really well at the end of the conversation, but start losing pieces of it in the middle of the conversation and it drifts accordingly. So in my case, in software development, you either know it works, it compiles, or it doesn't. So I have to iterate through that over and over and over again. So in one way, I think it is very you know it's good and, by the way, these AIs are testing at graduate level proficiency testing scores. Okay. So that's how you know that they do know how to reason.
Speaker 3:The latest open AI model, called O1, has the ability to reason and it will reveal to you the steps it took to reason.
Speaker 3:It's called chain of thought, chain of thinking, and when you prompt it for something in the 01 preview model it's not fully released yet it will think, it shows you that it's thinking and then it will take a number of seconds so 20, 10, 20 seconds, something like that and you can actually, when it starts responding to your prompt, you can actually go back and see what it was thinking about in its process of attempting to give you a response.
Speaker 3:Now, that is why these people out in the industry are beginning to talk about AI as having human, you know, rational thinking processes, because it can think and reflect. On the other hand, I believe and I think the guys on the panel believe that where this really gets powerful, because a large language model basically predicts the next thing, that is in that chain of thought. That's fairly linear in my opinion, but what's going to be powerful is the agent revolution, which is when you can spin off multiple agents that each have this ability and they will check each other, they will coordinate, they will fix and repair things before you even know it. And so you deploy agents and they go do their thing, and then they come back with the answer for you, and that is going to be a significant uplift to AI technology, in my opinion. What do you guys think?
Speaker 1:Well, how do you think it's going to affect it? I think I know where you're going.
Speaker 3:Oh, it's going to be another industrial revolution process when agents take hold, All kinds of things are now. So for the first time, let me just unpack it the way I see it right now. Is that right?
Speaker 2:now.
Speaker 3:I am bound to a session with AI. It's me and it doing this, iterating me and it doing this iterating. What's coming and what is being worked on very hard by people, and it's already emerging, is the ability for me to go give specifications and directions to AI and then it goes out and deploys itself and then works on its own without my input. That's the difference, and so what's going to happen is you get a force multiplier in AI when you could deploy agents and then bring the result back to you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I think.
Speaker 4:Well, I think that, um, you know hearing I brought this up I believe it was last week with some people that you know there's been a lot of hype over the last couple of years with chat, gpt, and there's been a lot of talk in financial markets about ai much the same way we saw with the dot-com boom 25 years ago.
Speaker 4:And people look at the promise and they jump ahead and they expect it to all happen in a matter of months and then they sort of lose interest. Oh, this is a bunch of hype. But when you have exponentially advancing technology, when you look at an exponential curve at the beginning of that, to the naked eye it appears that nothing's happening. The progress is really slow. But when you get to the right-hand side of that exponential curve, it becomes vertical, the change that's taking place. So if you expect, say, a technology is doubling every year, each new year accounts for 50% of the new power, and so as you get out toward the edge of that, I believe this is going to come on people suddenly Again, we've heard a lot of hype the last couple of years and people tend to forget about it and then I think it's going to come very surprisingly and, very suddenly, the rapid and dramatic changes that are going to take place. Because of this, for many of the reasons that Scott has mentioned, Patrick.
Speaker 2:Oh, I have an opinion. I suppose I do. I'm a contrarian, for sure, and philosophically opposed to the idea of artificial intelligence in the first place, and I'll explain myself the term artificial intelligence every time we say it, whether it's AI or artificial intelligence, or artificial general intelligence, et cetera every time we utter that phrase, we are convincing ourselves that there's something intelligent going on with computers. That can't be the case by biblical standards. Intelligence is something that God gave to us humans. Only, there's never going to be a substitute for humanity, a substitute for humanity. And as that, I would just say how much intelligence is in this book. This is a great book, by the way. A small book Looks like my green screen is showing through here, but if you read this book, you can get a lot of knowledge from it. But that is us to process. The book itself has no intelligence whatsoever. The writer did, but the book itself doesn't have any intelligence at all. What we're, what we're being fed at this point, in my opinion and I busted code for 20 years in my former life, mostly in expert systems, by the way, not AI, but I programmed expert systems that can kind of reason through a decision tree to get to conclusion, I see this as much of this stuff is just basically expert systems trying to figure out or predict or suggest the next word or whatever, or the next thought, and there's no intelligence behind it at all. And this is why, john, you said that analyst said that AI is as dumb as my cat. He should have said dumb as a dog. Dogs are much worse off than cats.
Speaker 2:But I think what we're going to see, what, let me put it this way, I think, personally, I will view this whole thing as a hoax going going forward, an elaborate hoax, for sure. But all these people who are hyping sentience, sentience, um, asi, somewhere along the future, perhaps, whatever is declared, it doesn't make it so. And we know like, for instance, when we get into the tribulation period, when the false prophet flips the switch on the beast, the beast system that is going to reason and, you know, kill people or whatever. It's going to speak like the Antichrist speaks. Is this a hoax or is it real?
Speaker 2:At that point, I can't believe that there's going to be any other intelligence in the universe other than what we have with what God created the demons, angels and us as humans, and God, of course, himself. So I'm cynical about a lot of stuff that's going on with AI at this point, at this point, and I will be skeptical, probably until the end, but I'm not going to, I'm not going to be convinced that um it is, it is as good as people think it is, and the expectations that when people um can be emotionally involved with their robots or whatever, their or their ai or the agent that serves them at their job or whatever, when they get emotionally involved with those things, then the relationship you know, all of a sudden they transfer over on it human expectations and this is, I think this would be part of the deception in the end.
Speaker 3:Honestly, so, Patrick, I….
Speaker 1:Flesh that out a little bit more, Patrick. When you talk about deception, I mean, what do you… I want to make sure I'm following you.
Speaker 2:Well, let's start again with AI. Artificial intelligence there's no such thing. Let's start again with AI. Artificial intelligence there's no such thing. It's an oxymoron to say artificial intelligence in the same breath, because there is no intelligence outside of humans and demons and God. This is a quality of humanness that was only given to us, not anybody else. And these artificial programs, they're trying to make them mimic life and intelligence, but they can't do it. Even now they can't do it.
Speaker 2:The stupid, the craziest test that they, for instance, they feed to all these new iterations of AI coming out, they're infantile type of problems and the AI can't solve the basic math problems, simple problems that they give it, logic problems. It's like, okay. This reminds me when I first attended my first AI conference in Scottsdale, arizona, so in 1982, I think it was, and they were struggling over the sentence John gave Mary the book and that was a whole conference for like for two hours or two days, rather. They tried to figure out how can they put that to logic. Well, they didn't get it at that point and at this point, some of the problems that are being fed to AI sound just about that simplistic. So, yes, there's a lot of knowledge, for instance, like this book multiplied by a jillion. Yes, there's lots of knowledge there, but is there intelligence there? I would say no.
Speaker 1:Okay, but then is the so, is the so is the issue tech intrusion through this, I don't know what you would term a ruse. Is that the thing to be watching for?
Speaker 2:I wouldn't say a ruse in that sense. I wouldn't say a ruse in that sense. I'm just saying that the whole industry has bought this track and when people like Henson's one guy, some of the other people that left OpenAI they're all perhaps they've gone away from the party line. You see top researchers claiming basically what I'm saying here, that it is not intelligent in that sense. There's a lot of facts that can be pulled from, but there's no human intelligence and it will never be human intelligence, human level intelligence All it will be is a mass of data that has to be somewhere along the way. It needs to be fed to humans and then they will process what intelligence they're going to get out of it.
Speaker 2:But in the meantime we have all the world is running after this like crazy, and pretty much 99% of the people are after the fox, so to speak, and they're not going to give up because there's huge, huge gains for them. Could somebody like Sam Altman, for instance? Could he be deceived in what he's doing, especially when he jettisons his safety team to just let it fly? Let's just get this thing done, guys. Programmers, get the busy. Well, you know, you see signs. I see signs of this, that a lot of these people are really deceived with what they're doing and if they fail miserably in the end, it doesn't mean that the thing is going to go away, because people are already adopting it in businesses, in society and apps. Scott, you mentioned like what Microsoft is doing. They've embedded it everywhere in all the apps now and we can't get away from it at this point.
Speaker 1:I get 20, 30, 40 prompts about generating something with AI a day and I try to avoid it. But you're right, patrick, it's everywhere Scott.
Speaker 3:So I think, patrick, I appreciate you bringing up this discussion and, like a biblical worldview, reset on who is the intelligent ones here and that the Lord has created, and certainly we. To your point, I think it's very wise to call out that artificial intelligence is a deception. I mean, at the end of the day, it is not intelligent. I mean, at the end of the day, it is not intelligent. It's been trained. It's not learning on its own. Humans are feeding it and telling it what to do and putting boundaries and everything in there. So I think that, uh, that's a very good reminder, but when we're talking about industry terms, we'll use those terms because that's what people have heard and understand, but I want to acknowledge the truth of what you said, brother.
Speaker 3:Okay, so, and where I would like to just remind the audience, every one of us has had an experience with a chatbot on your website. Pick any website. You're dealing with a chatbot. That is the very definition of stupid, right? You can never get anything done and then you can't find the support link to actually get a phone call to the right support team.
Speaker 1:It's like talking to India on that question. You know what I mean. There's like a big language barrier there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that it's like a big asked question prompt type of thing or your account balance, something easy. Then you get in the weeds very, very quickly with chatbots today, and that is the issue that Patrick's bringing up. There's not a lot of depth there right now. And, agi, I don't think we're going to see artificial general intelligence, which, again, I admit, is an oxymoron and, by the way, a massive deception. I don't think we're going to see artificial general intelligence, which, again, I admit, is an oxymoron and, by the way, a massive deception. I don't think we're going to see that. I think the Lord's going to fix all this stuff and come back and it's going to all be interrupted. Because to me, another biblical worldview concept is that we are constructing the Tower of Babel again, nimrod again and the Lord interrupted at that time, and I think another massive interruption is going to occur before man gets his way with fully incorporating transhumanism and moving away completely from the Lord. So I mean, what do you guys think about that?
Speaker 4:Are we in another?
Speaker 3:Tower of Babel. Moment.
Speaker 4:I believe, absolutely. Yes, I think the Tower of Babel was actually a prophecy when you read it in its entirety, and it says if left to their devices, nothing will be impossible for them. And so I think this is an important distinction that Patrick's made to clarify with people that there is no sentience when we talk about AI. It's really a sophisticated algorithm, it's a tool, and I've had discussions with people who will say, well, ai is bad or AI is good. Ai is neutral, it's a tool. And I've had discussions with people who will say, well, ai is bad or ai is good. Ai is neutral, it's a tool.
Speaker 4:The problem is ai in the possession of human beings fallen mankind is going to amplify our sin, right so much. The same way, I point out well, there's nothing evil about trains, there's nothing evil about assembly lines or ovens, but the fallen wickedness of the human heart took that and turned that into Nazi concentration camps. They used all of those tools for evil. The same, I believe, is going to be true of AI. We're already seeing it with some of the output that comes out of AI. What's been input into it are the beliefs of fallen mankind. So you're not getting. You know. Sometimes you might get some truth out of AI, but you won't get the ultimate truth, god's word, out of AI. Because of its origin is fallen mankind.
Speaker 3:And if you hoover up the internet, Brett, you're going to get garbage in garbage out, right? Absolutely yeah. So you're right. I think that's absolutely right. And there's no amount of training safety protocols that's going to completely check that, because it's all embedded in the training data. It's like a nerve. You know you can fire a nerve and all of a sudden your knee jerks. You know what I'm saying. It's not very smart, it's like a lizard brain kind of, if you will, but it is effective in certain tasks and that is where we're seeing dramatic changes to workforce environment. And, by the way, Brett, you might want to talk about the Tech Boss article that came up and what does it mean for us? And yes, it's not really true intelligence, but it does have a very significant impact yes, and it's going to.
Speaker 2:It's the kind of thing that could kill you in the end of it. I think that's with the false, false prophets going to use uh, it will, whatever that, this ai system that we see in the book of revelation, um, that this, this whole thing, is going to persist, I do think, through the rapture and through the tribulation, until Christ puts an end of it. Finally.
Speaker 3:I agree with that, by the way, that it will go all the way through, because at the half point, that's when the false prophet begins enforcing the consequences of not taking the mark. And all of that has to be run on AI basically. You can't have enough people in a data center approving transactions for them to work.
Speaker 1:In that term you mean AI in the sense of advanced technology that can hoover up all your data and control things.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Is that what you?
Speaker 2:mean Scott, when are?
Speaker 3:you Right. Think about it. It knows all your daily. You know traffic patterns. Where are you, so we can get you.
Speaker 2:What are you buying?
Speaker 3:So we can revoke it. Revoke permission in your wallet.
Speaker 1:So four years ago I bought this very great chair and I hesitate to make use the name because then what will happen to me was a part of the chair broke.
Speaker 1:So I dug out the email that I got from the company when I bought it and I took a picture of the bottom of the chair where the piece had broken, and then opened Facebook and there were ads for office chairs all through my Facebook feed for the last two days dozens of ads for office chairs, including some from the company that needs to is honoring the warranty on the chair, but it didn't take any time at all. Or if I go to the golf store and I look at a putter and nothing else, I get ads for putter. If I look at a putter in a golf bag, I get ads for both of them everywhere. I mean, and I might have left, I have my phone in my pocket but I'm not looking at it while I'm in the store, but it knows everywhere that I've gone. So what were you talking about when you mentioned something with Brit and the tech bots or something?
Speaker 3:Well, brit brought to our attention an article about employers are essentially why don't you take that overlying basically to their employees about the impact of AI.
Speaker 4:Yeah, well, I think a way of saying what AI does is processing and analyzing. It greatly enhances our capacity as a civilization to do that. You know, when you think of you know the KGB during the Soviet Union could only dream of the data that's being gathered on citizens today. They didn't have enough human agents to do anything with that data if they could. But AI gives the ability to sift through all of that data, pick out certain predetermined patterns and bring those to the attention of a human being, and so we see, see that ability and, as scott pointed out, it's like a another industrial revolution. And so what we're going to see, imagine, think of all of the pain that came about, all of the discomfort as a result of the Industrial Revolution in terms of when we think of the Luddites and smashing mechanical weaving machines because they're taking jobs. We saw a lot of. We saw wars erupt. We saw societal revolutions as a result of the industrial revolution.
Speaker 4:What happens when you compress all of that into one or two decades projects? 300 million people will lose their jobs to AI. Now, I couldn't find where it gave a timeframe on that. I wouldn't expect that they're saying over the course of the next century, but in a very short timeframe you could see something like that Now. Historically, when technology replaces jobs, new jobs are created. That's what we've seen in the past and that's what we would expect going forward with this if greater efficiencies come about. But if you compress the timeframe that that's happening, many of those people will find it very difficult to adjust to the new reality. So you very well could see large segments of the population find themselves unemployed and maybe even unemployable, which is why a lot of these people that are pursuing this constantly talk about universal basic income that they won't revolt.
Speaker 4:So because that's what's coming with this and that's what the CEO in this article is saying is people are smart enough to know that this is going to change the workplace.
Speaker 4:So it doesn't mean that every employee is going to be replaced by AI. But just as you look at personal computers and how that's led to greater efficiencies, where maybe 40 years ago it took four people to do the job that one can do now, with the productivity enhancements of using a computer and various software, you could see one person could do what a team of five does now if they have AI agents at their disposal to do that, and it may very well mean that all five of those people remain employed and they become many times more productive. It really depends on the industry. It's going to depend on what the job and the task is, but this, I believe, has a very high probability of being extremely disruptive on a global scale when it comes to the job market and the impact of that on society, if we have tens of millions of people suddenly unemployed. I don't know what your thoughts are on that.
Speaker 1:Go ahead, Scott.
Speaker 3:One thing we should mention is that the argument that the elites make is even in the industrial revolution, there were losers and winners, and what's going to happen with AI and these advancements that are being made is, they'll say, sure, jobs are lost. And, by the way, there's hundreds of thousands of Silicon Valley employees that have lost their job over the last two years, hundreds of thousands. They're just gone because not just because of AI, but because a lot of the efficiencies and things that they're doing. Not just because of AI, but because a lot of the efficiencies and things that they're doing. So what I think it's important to know is what they're saying is that there's new opportunities that are coming to and to the employment situation.
Speaker 3:If you see, you're in a position which could be impacted by AI, it really is smart. Be wise, learn what you can. Try to reposition your skill set. Take a class somewhere, a boot camp, try to you know, make yourself relevant, skill-wise in a world which is increasingly competitive. And, by the way, your competitiveness isn't necessarily against the guy down the street, it's against this, as Patrick would say, this false entity. I love that, you know, in a data center somewhere, they call them employees even you know because they're doing work for the company. So you may shed real human, you know people in your workforce, but they're uptaking employee positions through AI, and so the encouragement here is let's be smart about this, if you know.
Speaker 3:And the thing that surprises me is that this is hitting white collar really hard, and I think back in the 50s, 60s, 70s, the narrative was this is going to affect the blue collar sector because robots would move you know things and build it, and that's not what's happening now. The white collar side is there. So the industries that are involved in this, the job positions that are somewhat at risk for this type of thing, you have to decide. What are you going to do. You have to bear down and figure this out. There's no shortcuts here.
Speaker 1:So let me make a couple points and maybe this will branch the discussion off a little bit different direction. So I sent you guys some articles and I have talked about declining demographics at prophecy conferences and stuff for many years now, because I think it's something that's overlooked as part of this convergence of all these things. So this week or the other day, foreign Affairs, which is a big technocratic publication, as Patrick well knows, council on Foreign Relations published an article and the title of the article was the Age of Depopulation. This morning on the front page of the Wall Street Journal was another article saying we're running out of workers everywhere. The populations are declining in most countries, particularly in the West. Japan will lose 2 million population this year, after losing a million last year, losing a million last year. That's 3 million people in Japan that have evaporated and there's nobody.
Speaker 1:The point is there's nobody to replace them on the people coming of age, and I don't know that and I think it's one of these things where I think God intervenes. China could be half the population, if the lord tarry's that it is right now. In 35 years, 30 years, half the population, that's hundreds of millions of people. And so there is, and so the ai tech people will say, well, we need this so that these robots that we're developing will be able to take the place of the workers who no longer exist. And then we saw last week Elon Musk rolling out, a bunch of walking around with a bunch of robots someplace, um, so, anyway, do you have any thoughts on that, or am I totally off base? But I Hmm.
Speaker 2:This has been brewing for years. Yeah, I remember there was. There was a uh an excellent video series on DVD. Remember DVDs when videos were on DVDvds long time ago, right?
Speaker 1:I remember vhs well, not that long um tracks, but there were.
Speaker 2:There was a great uh dvd series called the, the demographic bomb, another I think that the sequel was a demographic graphic winner. I think it was, and, um, this is probably 12 years ago, maybe now, maybe 15 years ago, and it was excellent. It was put up, put put together by a group of uh uh uh what do they call them? Um social science? Um uh, people that study demographics. Uh, demographer, academic social science?
Speaker 2:um, uh, people that study demographics uh, demographers, academics yeah exactly and uh they, they laid it down and absolutely positively said we're, we're headed down, all the while everybody's screaming we have too much, too much population. The world is going to, you know, be full of people, etc. And cetera, and the opposite has happened. The devil's at work here, you know he is. He would like to kill everybody if he could. China's one-child policy, for instance. Or Bill Gates giving vaccines with abortion drugs and stuff to people in Africa and everywhere in between.
Speaker 1:The pressure is now downwards on human population period there is, uh, pretty good evidence that within a decade or so um, when I, when I say a decade or so away now at my age, I'm sort of thinking like I don't really maybe not need to worry about that, I'll just go play golf or something but that between China and India they will soon have if they don't already, I think they probably do already 200 million because of sex selection in abortions and that sort of thing on one child and favoring males. They'll have 200 million males in india and china alone that have no prospect for a wife and what. What does that do to the world and what happens? And how does that do to the world and what happens? And how does that fit into this Bible prophecy scenario that we talk about?
Speaker 4:Are you alluding to the 200 million man army in Revelation?
Speaker 1:Well, I'm just telling you that's the number that came up. I don't know if that's where it comes from, I don't know. There's a lot of argument about whether that's a human army or demonic army or whatever, but it's just a number. When I started running the numbers between the two countries, it was pushing that number and nobody. I don't know that. I've seen it. I just don't know why nobody talks about it. But then again the tech guys will just say well, we need more tech because that's going to fill in the gaps. So you're not going to have somebody at McDonald's or In-N-Out sometime to get your stuff. It's they're going to automate that as much as possible, mainly because they don't have people to do it.
Speaker 4:We're already seeing that.
Speaker 1:I don't go buy a fast food place that doesn't have a Help Wanted. Sign on it now, at least here in central Ohio.
Speaker 2:I've been to two restaurants the way this week or that this week and last week, that had automated um robots delivering food to your table. Somewhat, some of the kitchen, uh, they put your, your dish, whatever you ordered, on this. Uh, this robot, it it comes out, blink, blink, blink, blink. You know, no, no arms, but it comes out to you and comes to your table and said, please, something like, uh, please, remove your food. No, no person in sight, right, just, they just brought it out. Well, no, no service there, I guess, but uh, this is going to be increasing in in the future. You can, just you can see it, because these people can buy a, probably buy one of these things like five thousand bucks, and they never have to do anything to it, uh, except recharge it scott, let's move over to one of the topics that you suggested tonight sentient spy system.
Speaker 1:So I'll let you run with that.
Speaker 3:Sure, this is kind of another status of the world in the beast system. Remember, we have said for a while now that we believe that the beast system is being set up right now Okay. We believe that the B system is being set up right now, okay. And John, did you ever pull up the Tesla or the Starlink coverage map?
Speaker 1:Yeah, hang on a second Brett. You had that in your. Was that in your notes about pulling that up? It was in my notes. Okay, this week's notes.
Speaker 3:Yes, it's the PDF I gave you.
Speaker 1:Right, right. I'm just looking for the link here. Go ahead and talk.
Speaker 3:I'll pull it up. I'll find it for you. It's under Elon Musk, tesla on page number nine, satellitemapspace. Okay, if you can have our audience, look at that full screen, john, while I narrate that satellite map dot space let's see.
Speaker 1:I want to make sure that's okay, elon musk tesla phone yeah, I have these in two different windows here, so I'm looking for you, said it's on page nine. Yes, okay.
Speaker 3:So while we're bringing that up, this is related to several topics here. We'll get back to Elon and his phone in a minute, but let's take a look at this coverage map. John, this is interactive. You can grab that with your mouse and move it around. I want our audience to understand that this is a map of Starlink all of the satellites that are in outer space and low Earth orbit right now. This is a real-time display. Can you spot any place on the Earth that does not have satellite coverage on it?
Speaker 1:Well, let's go down to Antarctica, and, by the way, we don't need any flat earth comments here. So the uh, I'm sure those will be coming. Well, I mean, you look at the poles.
Speaker 3:There's not a lot at the pole, look look at all, and these are flying around guys. These are not geostationary, which means that they are uh, they're moving, so that it's like a mesh network and each one of these has a specific identifier.
Speaker 3:Yes, of course they're each separate satellites. Okay, and contemplate the chokehold over low-orbit communications. Now, this is Internet traffic right now, but it's leading over into mobile cellular traffic as well. And, as case in point, elon has just announced his Tesla phone called the Pi mathematical symbol, and what it is going to do is have a interconnect into this outer space mesh system. And I think that when I look at control narrative by the B system, this is it, guys the satellites, the Falcon 9s that are going up, the reusable rockets that they're using today and, by the way, the Falcon Heavy that just was caught, launched and caught by Mechagazilla, I guess it's called with the chopsticks. That was a stunning technical achievement. But the Falcon 9s I think there's over 200 missions they've already done this year alone. Each one of those is capable of carrying 21 satellites, so I think that they've asked permission to go beyond 14,000 satellites. That's what we're seeing on this map. These are real. If you have a Starlink thing pointed up towards the mesh, you can get internet anywhere on the globe.
Speaker 1:Well, in connection with the North Carolina disaster weather disaster of the last couple of weeks we have a family member who's the mayor of a town there in Western North Carolina and he was saying the hardest thing that they had was they had no communications at all, nothing, no cell phones, no landlines, nothing. They had no way to communicate and enter Elon Musk and Starlink and now they have cell phone communications there you go.
Speaker 3:By the way, I just discussed this on Tom's show not too long ago about cell phones being the most pervasive on-ramp for the beast system and digital currency one world identity, and that's because cell phones are are used by 80 of the adult population on the planet right now. That's the on-ramp is mobile-based digital wallets and mobile-based payments and, oh, by the way, the X platform, formerly known as Twitter, one of Musk, well known, by the way. He was the co-founder of PayPal. Hello, correct. So, he With.
Speaker 3:Sam Alban, the head of OpenAI, he wants to create a worldwide payment gateway through the X platform. He wants it to be the everything app. So he's got communications, he has payment treasury, social communications, he's got AI all kinds of stuff together. And this is why, you know, we've all been observing and tried to educate our audience that the beast system isn't something that will be delivered after we're gone today, and when we're gone and the restrainer is removed, all that stuff is going to tumble out at the feet of the antichrist that will be revealed after we're gone.
Speaker 3:So it's very, very sobering to see the satellite system here realize that cell phones are already in 80% of the adults' hands right now, all over the world.
Speaker 1:Sometimes I think we lose track of people like our favorite little friend, yuval Noah Harari, who sort of burst on the scene. It was six years ago it was 2018 at the world economic forum meeting, where he said the one who controls the data will control the world. That that came three years after he had gone to google to speak at a google talks, to speak at a Google talks to the Google home office executives and everyone, and he started off his talk with this phrase I love coming to Silicon Valley, I see my friends, but it is here at Silicon Valley that the religions that control humanity and the 21st century are being created. Yeah, unbelievable. So is what he said nine years ago and six years ago, and he has a new book out called Nexus that I haven't even had time to look at. But is what he said more or less true in terms of how this fits into the end times?
Speaker 3:Well, this is the same guy that calls us hackable animals and rebukes anybody that would contest. Quote the end of privacy. Unquote, both externally and inside your body. So he says, just get over it, it's never going to happen, you're going to you're lose all, all of your privacy.
Speaker 1:So I'd like to hear a little bit from Pat yeah, from Patrick and Britt on these subjects. What do you think?
Speaker 4:Britt. Well, I think it. I think it was interesting. You brought up Hurricane Helene and how communication was lost, but due to the Starlink system, they were able to restore communications, one of the knocks on Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies.
Speaker 4:Okay, in an emergency where it powers down, how do we use these? And so one of the things people were saying was we learned the reliance on cash in the middle of this. We learned the reliance on cash in the middle of this.
Speaker 4:As Scott pointed out, if the Tesla phone is the future and X is the app by which you're paying for things and Starlink is really omnipresent and outside of this disaster zone, then you could still use that in the midst of this. It would remain functional, and so that's going to be one of the arguments they use for rolling that out against anybody that would stand up and say we shouldn't have digital currency, only because that's eventually what's coming. They're already testing central bank digital currencies and all the things Scott was talking about digital IDs, wallets, tokenized assets all of these things are going to be converging together, just as Patrick said. They're going to be put together, pieced together, and we'll have this system, and this is just another component to make sure to reinforce that system so that it's available everywhere. Not just available, but there's no way out of it, there's no way away from it.
Speaker 3:The watchmen that have gone before us. Men never could have really seen this type of stage setting. Not even in our imagination could we have imagined what we see today. And it's all happening right now.
Speaker 2:It is stunning, yeah you mentioned a data um harari.
Speaker 2:That's exactly what he said that whoever controls the data, the data by itself has no mass. You understand, you can put as much information on a hard drive if you want, and it doesn't weigh any more than when he started, right, so this information has no mass at all. But when you consider all of these huge data centers that are being created around our country and around the world right now the energy, energy hogs these are not these centers you can't imagine how huge some of these places are just acres and acres of server farms. You don't need this, this kind of hardware, to process chat bots, for pete's sake. You really don't, um. But when you look how it look, for instance, all the processors that nvidia has to X, to Musk, to Amazon, to Meta these people are building control farms to process the data. And the thing about data is wherever data is collected from, it becomes the object of control when the, when the data is analyzed and it circles back to control the object of the data. That in the first place.
Speaker 1:This was a whole point of who well, wow, unbelievable did you see the video of this, with this heavy rocket coming back and I at first I thought, oh no, it's going to hit the tower. And then I understood, then I figured out it was supposed to do that yeah, exactly, yeah, absolutely it was absolutely incredible anyway, amazing, amazing feat.
Speaker 2:In fact, one of my, one of my friends called me on the phone. I won't say who it was, he might know him but somebody called me on the phone and said after you watch that that movie video clip, do you think elon musk could be the antichrist?
Speaker 3:I said I mean the guy with a baphomet on his chest and an upside down cross. Yeah, that guy that guy the richest guy in the world. No, he's not the antichrist, because the antichrist will will be revealed.
Speaker 2:I know we're not looking for the Antichrist. Believe me, that was lame.
Speaker 1:But could some of these tech companies be some of the kingdoms that form the Beast Empire? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3:That's where I land. On that, I think the oligarchs to some degree, will yield their power and authority over to the antichrist. Sure the right power.
Speaker 2:The power of data is being that is being collected everywhere in society today, not just from our smartphones, but all the financial transactions, all the sensors and smart cities, all the internet of body stuff. Now that's coming online. There you're. You have a just river, rivers and, uh, rivers of data everywhere you look. Who's processing all that data? Makes sense of it? Well, that's where these data centers are going to come in. These are control. They're going to be the object of control mechanism to control everything in society. Control mechanism to control everything in society. This has been a truism to me for many years. The object of the data in the first place. If somebody wants to collect your data, it's only to use it to control you in the end, and that's the same for any other-.
Speaker 3:And to monetize you, patrick Pardon, and to monetize you, patrick.
Speaker 2:Pardon.
Speaker 3:And to monetize you until such time.
Speaker 2:Well, exactly, look at the concept of, for instance, digital twins. They're making digital twins of people now, but they're also making digital twins of cities whole cities now. Digital twins of cities, whole cities now, where all the sensors in real time are collecting information, where the people can go in with AI to figure out what's going on in the digital twin and then make adjustments and then commit it back to the physical twin. This has always been the object of control. When you collect data, you process it and then you turn it back to control whatever it is you collected from in the first place. This is going to be how the Antichrist controls everything in the end by processing all the data that's collected from society, and these people never get enough data. They've said that there's not enough data ever for these people to satisfy them. They want everything, even down to your DNA at this point, even if they could get it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're seeing that on a lot of the drones that you keep talking about right, sure.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I was going to say that I don't know what your experience is, but in the last several years, anytime I go to get a device, I'm finding there's fewer and fewer ports out for the device.
Speaker 4:For instance, used to be you would get a lot of USB ports on the side of a laptop, now it's. You struggle to find some of those sometimes and they, they want everything connected to the Internet and everything to be stored in the cloud. So there's less and less storage on devices. Now they want it in the cloud because they want to be able to control it. They want to be able to process it, analyze it, see it, use it for their various purposes, whether it's monetization, whether it's to feed the AI or whether it's to simply spy and surveil. And you know, even it used to be you could have things on your desktop computer that were there and yours, and now you know if your internet connection goes down, all of that stuff's missing because it's on the cloud and that's the default. Now you have to go out of your way to keep those things off, and that's the way it is in everything now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and one thing I'd like to add to that, brett and Patrick, is that when you listen to MonkeyWorks okay, I, like Monkey, never met him personally but he talks about the flyovers of the Intel flights that are hoovering up all the cell traffic and everything, and you don't know what they're observing from a plane 30, 40,000 feet up in the air. And so surveillance isn't just done at landlines, you know it's done from orbit, if you will. So that brings us to the sentient AI story that broke.
Speaker 3:The US government is using AI systems for some time now, and what was notable about this? It's for national security and surveillance. It's for national security and surveillance, but to the point that we've been discussing, no one knows what it's doing or what data are they collecting and what are they doing with that data. It's a black box, no one knows. But what caught my attention with this article was the fact that AI can command their satellite fleet, which is dedicated to this, to move in orbit in order to reposition an asset, to do surveillance and spying on whatever target they want to. Yes, that is unreal.
Speaker 1:Patrick. When Patrick and I did a conference a couple weeks ago over around Dayton Ohio and I forget where we were, patrick I think we were down at a BJ's Brewhouse restaurant we were sitting in the parking lot waiting to get dinner to go. If you remember, yes, and what? Do you have? Some kind of Bluetooth sniffer or something like?
Speaker 2:that I do To find all the Bluetooth connections Exactly and there was nobody.
Speaker 1:you understand, there's a, there's a, there's a restaurant next door yes, Sort of a high end, but nobody was there and there was nobody in the parking lot and there weren't that many people in the restaurant. But I'm thinking you said there are 385 Bluetooth connections within range of my phone.
Speaker 2:It started out like 300 and then it went to 400. Then it went to 500, 600, 700. It just was off the chart. In fact. We left and it was still counting. Yeah, it was amazing.
Speaker 1:And I've seen Wi-Fi type sniffers that people have programmed so that you know I'm not connected, but they can tell where everybody in the house is. They can get an imprint of them, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, scott, you mentioned something, a keyword, a data IT keyword, the word mesh. You used that a network of Bluetooth that has been created already, where Bluetooth has the ability to communicate with other Bluetooth devices in the background, outside of the internet connections. You don't have to have any internet at all for Bluetooth connections to happen, when Bluetooth and this is going to be collected by central collections point to send into the cloud. Perhaps this is an incredible concept when, when I was I, when I discovered all these bluetooth things I have several my ears, my hearing aids, my phone, I have a pacemaker, pacemaker, um, that's all bluetooth. But you, you figure that all the cars have bluetooth, all the phones of the people, who knows whatever, uh, I have no idea what. What could have generated 17 700 bluetooth signals in in reach of my phone to figure them all out?
Speaker 1:and, by the way, I was sitting next to patrick. I was, I was, I was freaking out, I know, when there was no car, there were hardly any cars in the parking lot and hardly anybody in the restaurant, and then it's like I want one of those. Where's all of these Put a?
Speaker 3:link in the chat.
Speaker 1:Why? Because you don't freak yourself out enough on a daily basis as it is Well you know, because I use blackout bags whenever I have a sensitive conversation, exactly yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think people, just so our listeners, listeners understand, you can get these on Amazon, but I put my cell phone, my watch, I put, you know, my devices in this thing and it cuts it off from being available for those types of connections.
Speaker 1:It's a fair. It's like a Faraday cage small. Faraday cage for your devices your devices people you might want to go to well for your devices People you might want to go to well. Amazon's going to know you bought it anyway, so just go to Amazon and get it, I guess.
Speaker 3:So talk a little bit more about this sentient AI and then I think, Scott, you had mentioned something the system again, John, think about it. You've got AI commanding and controlling very sophisticated intelligence platform. Think about it. That's exactly what we predict is going to be necessary to run the one world system. It's just, it's lining up so perfect it's not even funny anymore. It's not even speculation. I mean, this has been going on for years and we will never know the full extent of the groundwork that's been laid, you know, for what's coming in the tribulation period. We just don't have any idea, probably, but I'll tell you who will. It's the martyrs in the fifth seal. They are going to know because of the strength of their testimony in Jesus Christ and the word of God. They are going to know. It is extremely it's hard to get your head around what they're going to be facing, because we already see it today.
Speaker 1:I always find their reaction interesting Redeem people of God, and what are they asking for? They're asking for God to come and pour his wrath out on people right Avenge us. It's just kind of an interesting.
Speaker 3:But that's already when they're in the throne room, right, John?
Speaker 1:That's correct. But they're redeemed and they're there, but they want God to do the justice that God promised.
Speaker 3:But I think we're aligned with that. We want that too. We want justice and righteousness to be here, and so that's why I say Maranatha all the time.
Speaker 1:So let's go back to the digital digitization of everything and, britt, you've done a lot of talking about tokenization of assets, so explain what that is and how this all, how that fits into all of this.
Speaker 4:Well, basically, it's a digital representation of something in the real world. So you'll hear the term real world assets used a lot. So imagine, on just a rudimentary sense, if you create a digital token, similar to Bitcoin, to represent each share of stock or each bond that's traded. So we're seeing a lot of financial transactions being part of this initial rollout. But they want to digitize everything, every aspect. Because when you think about the control that comes with the mark of the beast system and the ability to buy and sell, central bank digital currency is half of the equation, because if you're trading currency for a product or a service, that currency is going to be half of that transaction. If that product or service can be tokenized, that's the other half that they can control. Product or service can be tokenized, that's the other half that they can control.
Speaker 4:And so we've talked about the programmability of central bank digital currency and how they could say well, we're going to set parameters. We don't like what John said last week. So you know you can't spend any of your currency outside of a one mile radius of your home and effectively put you under house arrest. Well, they could do the same thing with tokenized assets through smart contracts, where they program those to say these assets cannot be sold to certain individuals or only under certain circumstances. So it's just another means of controlling every aspect of life. As Patrick pointed out, they've built a digital representation of the entire earth, of all of civilization. They want to control every aspect of it, pull in all of the data that they possibly can to give themselves complete control, because whoever's at the head of this and Bible tells us the Antichrist will be during the tribulation will have complete control over every aspect. There will be nowhere to hide. They'll be able to see everything you're doing and control everything that you're doing and control everything that you're doing.
Speaker 3:That's a digital footprint concept, but with hundreds of millions of cameras around too, it's also a visual trap. So I predict I think we would all agree that when things really begin to become oppressive, people will flee for remote areas and hunker down away from a lot of that. The thing is, if you've got, you know, thousands and thousands of satellites that you know have the ability to look down with pretty good precision I think it's one meter square they can resolve. Well, a human body from space looks like about a one meter, you know.
Speaker 4:So it's gonna be very, very difficult to hide you know, and I've argued in the past, that we'll reach a point in time, particularly once molecular manufacturing comes into being, where they'll be able to create, very inexpensively, trillions and trillions of miniature cameras and microphones the size of dust, and it'll just spread across the planet the same way dust does. So try to keep dust out of your house. And the thing is, even if you could create a space, a clean room to live in, to hide away, that's just going to expose you. It's going to show up on their digital map. Why is this space not being surveilled right now? Why is this space blank? Why is it empty? So, as you said, there will be nowhere to hide to hide.
Speaker 3:And yet the hope is that people do make it all the way through and go through the sheep and goat judgment at the end of the seven years and go on into the millennial reign. So there is a remnant. The Lord always has a remnant.
Speaker 1:Siberia and Alaska look fairly and northern Canada look fairly open, although there's not much there anyway. We drove across Canada last year and it was a lot of Ontario seemed to go on forever and there was a lake. Every seemed like every 25 feet there was a new lake along the road 40% of the world's fresh water in Ontario, by the way.
Speaker 2:Incredible.
Speaker 4:But anyway I think if anyone the Tribulation Saints, it's going to be the grace of God. It's going to be God's miraculous hand that guides them through that. I don't think it's going to be any preparations that people made or they made the right choice to go to the right place. I don't think it's going to be any preparations that people made or they made the right choice to go to the right place. I think it's just going to be the hand of God causing blind spots for the enemy and seeing people through.
Speaker 3:It's like hiding in a little niche, somewhere above the ability for the enemy to detect, you know.
Speaker 2:So I agree with you 100 brother you know when I look at, uh, how dark the world is getting today. We're talking about it right now. The darker it gets, the more you appreciate the light and the kingdom of God, because the contrast is very evident. Now, maybe to me, not so much other people necessarily, but people are catching on. People are catching on that the world is being given over to evil in general and the stuff we're talking about, this beast system, whatever. That's evil to the core. And this contrast from the kingdom of God that God sent his son into to rescue us in the first place and he sends us in the same world to do the same thing.
Speaker 2:If we have perspective on this, it should give us encouragement to know where our home is. It's not in this world, it's in the kingdom of God. That kingdom is secure forever. We're sent and out of this into this world to do a. We're on mission, we're on point, whatever for a purpose. Some are watchmen, others are, you know, evangelists, some some other stuff, but I look at this whole picture right now that we're discussing. This highlights how wonderful the kingdom of God is and why we should be in it in the first place. We don't want to have one foot in the world and one foot in the kingdom. No, god wants us to have both feet in the kingdom and not have anything to do with the world in the first place. In other words, the New Testament says we're in the world, but we're not of the world.
Speaker 3:Following up on the commercial break that you initiated there, patrick. Good, you get two points, brother. So I think that how do we process this? That's one perspective, and I just want to remind everybody that we must engage as we see the things that we are seeing. To engage as we see the things that we are seeing, I mean with every, let's say, announcement of new tech and the speed and acceleration, the convergence.
Speaker 3:We're so far beyond convergence at this point. You know that was an old term for people that were just coming up to why is this decade more significant prophetically than the decades that have always been talking about these things? Well, the term convergence is what convinced people that this is unique now. The rebirth of Israel as a nation in 1948, the convergence of all the signs. Well, now we're just on a completely new level. We're seeing the base system right now and if that doesn't signal for us that our finish line is approaching, I don't know what would convince anybody.
Speaker 3:So the encouragement in this commercial break that we're having is that we have to make a decision about how are we going to address and approach our personal sanctification. To be ready as a pure bride of Christ, we have to lay down childish things. This is something that I'm going through. All of us are going through this phase. Right now we have to have our oil ready, our wicks trimmed, that whole deal. We have to be prepared and we have to look up while we continue to occupy until he comes right. So this is not easy. This is an incredibly difficult time in history to be engaged in, but the Lord was intention for us to be here at this time.
Speaker 3:So, talking about mission, what is it that the Lord has been calling you to, or that is laid on your heart, or a conversation that must be had, or other? You know, let's say, discussing helping people at your church. You know, let's say, discussing helping people at your church. You know, I hear a lot of people all of us do where they say, well, my church doesn't teach this stuff. Well, go be the person that helps. Connect dots.
Speaker 3:We have to engage right now, because if we don't do that, I'm tempted even to curl up in a ball and suck my thumb. I mean, just give me a beanbag and a couple of Twinkies and I'll be good for a while, right? So it's just, guys, everything that we see should resolve itself, not to have fear and anxiety, because that just means we need to push harder. Have fear and anxiety because that just means we need to push harder If we're waiting in a season of waiting. I want to do this. I think the Lord wants me to do that, and yet we continue to hesitate, procrastinate and delay, with the beam of seat so close.
Speaker 3:Guys, I implore you, please take these things the Lord has put on your heart to the Lord and pray about it. This is the season for action, for dusting off the things that the Lord has called us to do that we have not yet accomplished, and to push with all of our might. We should be sprinting at this point, not walking. This is not Christianity. 101 anymore, guys. This is PhD level. How do we finish? Well, britt, I'd like to hear 101 anymore, guys, this is PhD level. How do we finish? Well, britt? I'd like to hear from you too.
Speaker 4:Yeah, well, I think you know the farmer waits for ideal conditions to plant, probably never going to plant right. And you know, on a personal note, you can see behind me I've got this bookcase. It's not terrible to look at. But when I started doing these videos a couple of years ago, we were in the process of building a house and we were staying at my dad's and the only place I could go where it was basically soundproof was this closet in the room over the garage there, and so you could see the bar holder behind me. I mean it was this terrible background.
Speaker 4:But you just have to take what the Lord gives you. Don't wait for ideal conditions. So, as you said, scott, if the Lord is putting on your heart to do something, take action, but take action. Don't wait for some sort of ideal circumstance, because it's unlikely that's ever going to come. And you know I mean we look at, you know some of the tyrannical behavior that's coming at us.
Speaker 4:For those of us that live in the United States and the Western world, maybe we're not used to that from the lives we've lived, but think of what the church went through in the early stages in the book of Acts. I mean the tyranny of the Roman Empire. And every day you woke up you never knew. Or are you going to have a sword thrust through you that day? You really had no idea.
Speaker 4:And we need to be living our lives the same way, fearless, against whatever tyranny is coming against us or whatever threat man can make against us. We should be fearing God, not evildoers. The evildoers will pass away. The things they're doing will come to nothing. Christ has already won the victory. So we need to be boldly moving forward. And you mentioned we're running a race. We can see that finish line. For those who are runners and have run long distances, you know when you, when you're running a marathon and you can see the finish line. That's not when you say, hey, look, I'm almost at the end, let me sit down for a little while, or take a break. That's when you sprint, because you go, hey, I'm going to be able to rest soon, I can see the finish line, so let me expend all the energy I can now to get to that destination and that's when I'll rest. And that's what we should be doing now is we should be going all out in whatever work the Lord has given us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly you know we are God's first responders in this world. Think of the first responders that you know. How about a fireman? They sit around most of the time on their duff right, but when there's a fire, what do they do? They run towards the fire. How about a policeman? They often sit around eating donuts, for instance, but when there's a crime or somebody needs help, how do they respond? They run to the scene of the accident or whatever.
Speaker 2:And the idea is that's the first responders are the one who pick out what's going on. Somebody's wounded, somebody's in trouble and under duress, or whatever. They run to that person to get them out of trouble and rescue them. That's us. That should be where our mental attitude should be. Well, we're not doing anything right now. I'm sitting here in my chair, whatever. I'm not stressed at all, but if I have an opportunity, if the Lord shows me somebody needs help or under duress or needs information that I could give them, or whatever, we should be in a position to run to that person to get whatever they need out of our storehouse no-transcript.
Speaker 3:You know how do you face that emotionally and how do you become an overcomer. And that is something that I deal with, because I have a lot of things that you know I'm trying to do and I think the one encouragement that I have worked through is I just flat-out begin that prayer by saying, lord, I can't do it, I just can't, and unless you do it, I will, and I will be the willing servant, remember yes then I will follow your lead.
Speaker 3:But I think we get the voice in the back of the ear here. That enemy says oh, it's too late for you. You blew it years ago. If people knew, doesn't sound familiar. If people knew you were really were trying to do that, really Is that? Are they going to let you do that? I mean, the voice of the enemy is in there pounding away. Right, you have to take authority over that stuff and wear armor.
Speaker 3:Notice that those are now flaming darts, not just darts anymore, because we're in the end, the end of this age, darts anymore, because we're in the end, the end of this age, right? So we have to take authority over it and realize that even the widow that put a mina in the plate, do you realize, in front of all the Pharisees that were boasting about their contribution, do you realize that that widow this is emotional, everyone listen that little minor, that little tiny coin I can't remember what a fraction of a penny that is Jesus said she has put in more than all of you. And the thing that I have realized is that woman is memorialized for all eternity in the word of God. Her story is there. She is there. We are going to meet her one day and I don't want our audience to fall back in dismay thinking that it's too late because that is from the enemy. And the thing that I realized is that it's not what we have done, it's the obedience upon which we have done it right. We can't control the numbers of what we do, but we can control our obedience to the Lord and the prompting of His Holy Spirit. So the thing is Holy Spirit.
Speaker 3:So the thing is what is the trajectory of our maturity? Is your maturity increasing? Is your holiness increasing? Is your cooperation with Holy Spirit and missions increasing? Or are you kind of, you know, withdrawing and sliding down? If you're a prodigal, you have to have a reality check. It's time for you to re-engage with the Lord, to get your feet on the rock and to begin reading the word of God and to pray earnestly. God forgive me for that and help me to finish well, earnestly. God forgive me for that and help me to finish well. And I'm convinced, just in my heart, in my spirit, the truth is, if we have the right trajectory, that we're going to have a successful. You know, be in a seat moment with the Lord, one on one, I just think that that's something that's incredibly honoring to the Lord, and there is always hope for the trajectory that we have to increase that is just what I've kind of been thinking about over the years.
Speaker 1:So I've thought about some of these things a lot and, um, you know, there's um pressure to kind of, uh, do this, do that. Uh, I remember back in the days of the church growth movement where the church really went off in a lot of crazy directions and I sort of said that you just got to do the right thing, the Lord will lead you, the Lord will open doors for you and he's opened doors for me. That I never expected and I think we need to remember that we're a link in a very long chain back that goes back to the apostles and Jesus, and I don't know if this is relevant, but it has struck me. You know, I have some friends who are into genealogies and that type of thing and I think one of the things we will do once the Lord returns, we'll have time to literally trace our spiritual lineage back all the way to the apostles and I think we will be stunned at all of the different miracles that took place so that we could become a link in that chain. I thought about that a lot because I sort of think of my own spiritual heritage and I trace it back a little bit, but then it gets lost. But how many people heard the gospel from somebody who just barely missed having a fatal car accident or something like that and then that led to all these other people getting saved too? So I just think that we just need to be faithful in little things and then, um, god will work it out.
Speaker 1:I had a pastor once who was one of the best pulpit preachers I've ever heard. And uh, I'm a lawyer, so lawyers get to ask questions a lot. Sometimes people get irritated about that. But I asked him. I said did you ever preach a real stinker of a sermon? There was another guy sitting there like I can't believe. You asked him that question and he said all the time it happens, I'm not satisfied. I said so what happens when you do that? People rededicate their life, people get saved, people learn about the Lord. Ah, so I said so it's not really all about you. Then the Lord will use our little meager offerings to his glorification.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm often encouraging those that I interact with to take the next step, and that's a pretty famous saying. But I add a nuance to that where I say there's six inches of visibility. And if you recall back in the Old Testament, the story of Joshua, you know sending the Levitical priests ahead to cross the Jordan. They didn't, you know they had to do that. They were taking that leap of faith to put their feet in the water before the upstream thing was, you know, stopped by the Lord. And I think that there's a very, very powerful truth to that that we have to be moving and when we move the Lord continues to guide and direct our path. But nowhere in my experience have I ever been able to see far down track to find out where am I going to be next month, next year, 10 years from now. I don't have that kind of visibility. I think the way that I just figure how it works is I get enough for that next step. But it's constantly frustrating that I don't, until I realize something significant, which is that I think the Lord wires us this way in our interaction with him, this way, because it means that we don't get to run too far ahead of him and his timing plan and the orchestration of his redemptive plan for all of us and the body of Christ. So I think that the way I see it is by only giving us a little bit at a time. The Lord is with us, we have to be there, we're joined at the hip, if you will, and we are in constant fellowship. Otherwise, I know my own tendency would just be to go full blown ahead and kind of forget that the Lord was right there. I'm embarrassed to say that, man, but I think that that's one thing we want to remember is that the grandiose plan that we may believe we are being charged with as a ministry has to be broken down into little chunks, and the most important step is the first one to say Lord, I'm all in, I'm going to follow you, no matter what.
Speaker 3:That is the moment, I think, where, at least in my experience, things began to really happen in my ministry, and I just hope that that encourages people that it's not always a big jump. It's the little things that we do. I think, John, you said little things. These are little things that we get to do, but we should do it now. We can't really delay. We can't wait for a big download right now. We have to do whatever we can with the tools and resources that we have the skills, abilities and tools so that we can encourage others, because the time is getting short.
Speaker 2:Let me, can I, summarize this Sure 2 Corinthians, chapter 5 and verse 20,. Paul said therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ. That's like the New Testament version of the watchman on the wall in the Old Testament. We are ambassadors for Christ, god making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. The idea is he's making the appeal through us as ambassadors. It'll all work out. The idea here is, if you commit yourself to being reconciled to God in the first place, you'll sail through this thing like a champ and you'll be rescuing many, many people along the way. But you don't have that long-term visibility for sure. But nevertheless, god is making his appeal through us in ways we may never understand, and we don't have to understand it either. There you go.
Speaker 1:Okay, Well, so let's. I really appreciate this Back to regular programming.
Speaker 3:John, what's that? Back to regular programming.
Speaker 1:Yeah, back to yeah. Let's stop this positive talk here and let's get back to reality.
Speaker 1:By the way somebody mentioned in chat that I looked a little bit tired. I try to pay attention to what's going on and I know Scott and Patrick and Britt do too and I know Scott and Patrick and Britt do too and this becomes very tiring. For example, every morning I have an app for what's going on in Israel. So this was this morning as I was trying to get back to sleep. I woke up in the middle of the night and then this popped up on my phone these rocket attacks. And I have friends who live here and I have people that I really care about and I know that this Israel is central to God's plan and this is a very, very big deal. It's very complicated. I know it's not the subject tonight, uh, and I talk a lot about, I interview people over there all the time, but this, this is why I look tired sometimes, because I can't get it out of my. I can't get away from it, and so pray for the people in Israel, pray for the people in the Middle East. But I have friends in Israel and they're very. There's a lot of psychologically damaged people over there from the events of the last year, and then they have these constant running to shelters type thing, and I have to tell you that I think that it's prophetic that eventually they're told to flee when a certain event happens in Jerusalem, and I sort of think that this is practice for that. So somehow we have to make the connection on that. So let's, anyway, that's just my get off topic type thing.
Speaker 1:So I want to talk about this technology, ai, free speech. Patrick, you did a conference with some good people a couple of weeks ago called Omni war. Uh, I think that was the week before we spoke together over there in Brookville Ohio with Mike Spalding and Barry Stagner and some others and, uh, I, I, I'm really concerned. I know you've talked about the free speech stuff a lot and, brett, I know you have some stuff in your notes. I think it's you, it's either you or Scott, but let's talk a little bit about this technology and free speech and election and what's the situation that we're really facing right now.
Speaker 1:So I'll give you an example. Financial Times had a big article the other day and they said well, you know, we know people have these different conspiracy theories, but we've now proven, through the use of and I think they use the term AI training, we can get them to let go of these things that they hold dear, that they're convinced are true and it's, and we can do that. We can manipulate them. And so, brent, maybe you can start off what you you know I know you talk a lot about it on your channel too. What are we really facing here?
Speaker 4:Yeah, so I think the article you were referencing was talking about chatbots that had communicated with people that held what were deemed conspiracy theories, and then they began to question those. As a result and this is similar to what we've seen rolled out in the last few years they call them nudge units, which are made to nudge you into thinking a certain way and thinking it's your own, you're drawing your own conclusions. It's a form of manipulation of the mind, but when I look at that, the framing of that article was such that they were saying this is how we're going to root out misinformation and disinformation. I just read it, as this is a new platform from which to roll out our propaganda, because that's essentially what they're doing is they're saying we have a narrative, our narrative is correct, we're going to manipulate people into believing our narrative, transform their minds, and so there's so many different technologies to be able to do this. And again we've talked about how you know the ads that'll pop up just from you, having looked at something. I've talked before about things popping up on the TV after I've simply thought about it. Again, I don't think they're reading my mind directly, but in a sense they are because of all of these pieces of data.
Speaker 4:As Patrick said, they've encapsulated all the captured, all this data in our environment to the point where the algorithms often know more about us than we know about ourselves. Easier to be able to change someone's mind in a way that they don't even see that that's what's happened to them, that they've been nudged in a specific direction, and so it's a very dangerous time from that standpoint of when people are being manipulated and yet they don't even realize it. I don't know what your thoughts are.
Speaker 2:Patrick. Well, free speech is the topic of the day for sure, and all the attacks are coming against free speech. They're myriad. The one using AI especially is nasty because they've determined multiple ways to use AI to root stuff out of your brain and replace it with other stuff In a way that you don't know that you're being manipulated. That's the scary part. Um, this is one of the I think that one of the darkest things that ai has brought to this planet.
Speaker 2:Honestly, because the issue of free speech in any revolution, the destruction of it, always precedes the killing. In the Bolshevik Revolution in Germany, cambodia, mozambique, rhodesia, you name it, any country who's undergone a revolution. In that sense, free speech is the first thing to die because they can't tolerate word getting out to expose their evil deeds. So we have this attack, an unbelievable attack on free speech. Now, this is all this is. In every global conference in the last year, this has been the major topic on the docket Free speech. Well, they don't call it free speech, but they call it how they're going to attack the misinformation and the disinformation and the malinformation, etc.
Speaker 2:I said at the beginning of 2024 that this is going to be the year that free speech dies because of these attacks. I hope I'm wrong. I don't want to be right. I hope I'm wrong. I don't want to be right, but at this point in history it looks like they're well on their way to either killing free speech in the first place or muddying the waters so much that people will not be able to tell which way's up anymore. There'll be no. In other words, they're going to lose touch with reality altogether. So this is a perilous thing that we hopefully we can deal with a little bit.
Speaker 2:I'm doing a teaching on Thursday night about propaganda and how to understand when propaganda is presented to you. That may not be enough, but you know this is the first thing that we can do. That because we can't do anything about the machine that's being leveled against us. All these cannons are pointing at us right now. We can't do anything about that per se, but we can change our behavior, how we respond to it. That's my point. And otherwise, you know that's kind of discouraging news on one hand, but these people are dead serious about just killing free speech altogether and in fact they're even doing it in England together, and in fact they're even doing it in, uh, in england, egregiously, egregiously. Now, uh, people are in jail for for posting things on social media that you and I wouldn't think anything about posting over here. People getting hard prison time for it and you're like what? This is the United, you know, the United Kingdom.
Speaker 1:Well, some British police have said that they they'll charge us, yes, with a crime of posting something on the internet and then they'll go seek to extradite us to the UK for trial and, and I would say, normally you don't need to worry about that, but if a certain person, persons, get elected in this next election, I would not put that beyond the realm of possibility. By the way, you can follow Mark Sutherland on Rumble Rumble, I think he's on YouTube too. He keeps getting booted off of possibility. By the way, you can follow Mark Sutherland on Rumble. I think he's on YouTube too. He keeps getting booted off of there. Patrick, didn't you do something with him just recently?
Speaker 1:I did just recently we did, we both did, as a matter of fact, in the UK, so follow him. He's done a lot of work on this, but it's a very troubling thing. Britt, do you have any thoughts? Yeah, I was going to say.
Speaker 4:That's an important point to make, because this attack on free speech, it's being exported across borders. So, as you mentioned, when people, some people, when they hear that they'll self-censor out of concern that they might be extradited for their social media posts and we've seen in Europe a lot of the politicians in the United States that are blocked from destroying free speech by the First Amendment they're turning to their colleagues in the European Union. They have something called the Digital Services Act and they're using the parameters of that to try to control free speech in other countries in the world, including the United States. So we saw an example where Elon Musk interviewed Donald Trump on the X platform and he received a direct threat ahead of time from one of the EU commissioners, thierry Breton, who's since resigned, but he'll just be replaced by a new person who feels the same way and trying to silence and threaten to destroy Elon Musk for doing that destroy the X platform by levying a fine that's 7% of their global revenues. We see the same thing in Brazil, with the threats they're making against Elon Musk and X.
Speaker 4:We've seen not just Kamala Harris and Tim Walz and Hillary Clinton, john Kerry all these people coming out against free speech. Robert Reich, who was a labor secretary in the Clinton administration, came out and outright called for. Here's what we need to do to Elon Musk, including arresting him all over this free speech issue. And then we see corporate America as well, and how they're allowing themselves to be censored by other countries. So we've seen this in the years leading up to now with Apple, amazon, netflix, disney. All these corporations have been told by Saudi Arabia, china and these other nations you're not going to put that programming in our nation, and these US corporations have complied with that. So we're seeing a lot of self-censorship as a result of the attacks on free speech in other countries, and so it shows how globally this can be exported to the entire world.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean China was the first example of a major corporation succumbing to Chinese pressure that if you're going to let if we're going to let Google, you know be a thing inside of China to reach our one point, whatever billion people, then you have to obey our mandates. And that was the beginning that I saw of where a corporation had to basically have a fork in terms of what they do for the rest of the world. And then there's a specific use case they did for China, and I think that that was a precedent that was very negative, you know, from a tech point of view.
Speaker 2:That video that I just put in the chat stream here is of John Kerry. It's about a two-minute video. You might want to look at it or put it up, but John Kerry, he's an official spokesman of our country for sure, ambassador of Mucky Muck, member of Skull and Bones as well, but his take on misinformation is stunning, to say the least. Just stunning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I could. Actually, I've been trying to get that in my update the last two weeks and I keep. It's like I feel like I'm intruding too long on people's lives as it is and so I've skipped that and so I probably will do it this week. Uh, he, he did it in a world economic forum thing a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, and he, and what did he say? I think I don't think I have it too inaccurate, because I've listened to the. It's stunning, it's shocking that. Oh yeah, we, we have problem with misinformation and we're kind of hamstrung in the United States by this First Amendment thing that we'd like to get around and get rid of. And then Hillary, she says the same thing we ought to arrest people when they post stuff that we think is hate speech.
Speaker 2:Harris just said the same thing recently.
Speaker 1:Well, and then the other question I want for you guys maybe you can help, because this goes to the technology thing how do you tell what's true anymore? Do you understand what I'm saying? I saw a video of Elon Musk saying some shocking things, and I'm not a huge fan of Elon, but I was 100 percent sure that what this video said was it was ai generated and you it's hard to tell the truth, or tell what's true and what's not, because then the next thing I saw was a video of kamala Harris dissing on Columbus Day, or Indigenous People's Day, whatever we call it now. And then my first reaction was I'm pretty sure she said that it was actually a year ago, but it's getting very difficult for people to tell what the truth is and this is a thing in the church too, I think. And I mean, how do we deal with this? I know we pray for protection of the Holy Spirit, but these things are getting very good.
Speaker 3:So I don't know that we can defend it. You know against it. I think we've also been sharing in this series here that we are responsible for our own reactions to it, and I liken this, john, in terms of baiting. If you take a look at the concept of the Antichrist bringing order out of chaos, then you've got to have a lot of chaos. You have to pit people against each other. You have to have all this noise in the system and they're exceedingly good at doing that. Have all this noise in the system, and they're exceedingly good at doing that. So I think, as we see reality beginning to bend and you don't know what is happening anymore, necessarily, authoritatively at least then I think that we have to be guarded about not reacting to something that could be completely false. And you know it's not a time to be picking fights with each other in chats and comments and replies. We should realize that you know we're, you know that the we have a hostile communication system out there and we need to be reserved in terms of what do we say, how do we react, and always try to encourage and support. I would say especially encourage. If you have to correct, do it in love.
Speaker 3:But I think that there's a lot of people that are just absolutely out of control. They're sucked into the drama and they are, you know, pursuing distractions to some degree, because really the enemy isn't us against each other, especially in the church, it's, let's be sure, we're majoring on the majors and we're majoring on the things that we need to do to further the gospel right now, and a lot of the other distractions thereof, you know, should be falling away almost like water coming off the back of a duck. So we have to make decisions about. I'm not going to be baited by that. That's an act of the will to say that and to take authority over deception to the best of our ability and not to hang out on extreme fringy type things that we're hanging our hat on. I've certainly not. You know. I struggled to see all the truth and everything too, but what I can control is to control is to measure twice cut once. You know the old proverb about that. So I don't know.
Speaker 4:Brett, what do you think about that? Yeah, I mean, I think we should be in the Bible, we should be in the word, because that's the source of truth that we can rely on and that we should be building things on. But we're not going to be able to guard 100% against some of these deceptions that might come at us through the media.
Speaker 4:We can know if it contradicts the word of God, that it's untrue and, as you said, we need to be displaying the fruits of the spirit. We need to have patience and be slow to react to these, investigate things before we perpetuate them. Right, whether it's sharing things, because and we saw some of this with Hurricane Helene and there were some pictures going around that one of them the moment I saw it, I began to cry.
Speaker 1:Looking at this picture, and then immediately I'm looking at there's a little girl in a canoe holding a puppy.
Speaker 4:And then I'll start looking at the comments and they're like this is AI generated. And then, when you look at it closer, you can tell well, there's rain on the water in the background, but not on her there's. You know, there was a number of ways that you could tell that, but it just shows that those images are only going to get much more sophisticated.
Speaker 1:And we really need to investigate because yeah, and I I'd encourage people to just you know before you forward it on pause, you know, cause there was a lot of stuff, stuff going around about helene, about a lithium mine, and it took literally folks it takes 25 seconds to find out that the lithium mine. There were all kinds of I would call them the jew hating, rightating right like Stu Peters and Health Ranger Mike Adams, you know, and some of the stuff they say stuff that we like and agree with. But on this they said that you know, the lithium mine is right under Asheville, north Carolina, and that's why the storm happened there. But the mine's 95 miles away. I don't know on what planet. That's right under Asheville, but it got.
Speaker 1:I talked to a friend in Asheville. She said well, we have a lot of crazy people. It might be a good idea to have a lithium mine here so they could self-medicate and get rid of some of their their bipolar symptoms. But anyway, just I would just encourage people to investigate these things before you pass it on. And and because I know that it goes along with you know what I do. I get a lot of stuff from people, you know I mean, and sometimes I'll get 200 things from one person in a day, you know, and it's like, how do I? I don't have time to look at it, let alone keep up with what I'm trying to research. So think a little bit before you just pass things on, I guess is the best way. So look, we're at about the two hour mark, so I'll give a closing remarks. I'll give about a minute to each one of you and we'll take this up again in another four to six weeks or so. I'm sure the guys will be up for doing another one.
Speaker 4:So let's start with we'll do Britt, then Scott, then Patrick. Let's say whenever we do anything like this, I don't want to assume that the people in the audience know Jesus. So if that's you and you're watching this, you stumbled across this video, you're interested and you don't know Christ. I want you to think about your eternity and the most important thing you can do is have a relationship with Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4:The Bible says we're all sinners. It just means we've fallen short of God's mark of perfection. And the Bible says the wages of sin is death. As a result of our sin, our destination is hell. It's eternal separation from God. But Jesus Christ lived a perfect, sinless life. He went to the cross, he died, he shed his blood for forgiveness for our sins, he paid the price, he paid the penalty for our sin so that we could be reconciled with God and spend eternity with him in heaven. And he rose in victory over death. He's seated at the right hand of the Father and preparing a place for us right now, for all those who know him. So if you don't know Christ, I encourage you to invite him into your life. Just ask him, reach out to him and say Jesus, I want to know you.
Speaker 1:Scott.
Speaker 3:Scott, you know, I think that boy, we've had a lot going on today in our show and it's hard to pick any one thing. But just, I appreciate what Britt is saying. How do we process this? And one of the obvious ones is we need Christ period. He's the solution. But I think another aspect of it is how are we going to finish? Well, I think we're close enough.
Speaker 3:We have to be examining ourselves and we need to strive to be part of the last push. You know, we're on the brink of eternity and the Bema Seat and all of these very, very significant things that we read about in the Bible. That are true. So it's time to engage and not let anxiety or fear paralyze us. So when I look, admittedly I sometimes get freaked out by, like Microsoft recall, we haven't gotten to that part yet. Yeah, that'll be next episode.
Speaker 3:But when I look at this stuff and start getting anxious about it, I have to realize wait a minute, this is just another opportunity for me to be focused. Now I have another reason and I try to turn that feeling of fear and anxiety for what we know is coming and as watchmen on the wall and Bereans of the Bible, we know even what's going to be happening in the future. Bible prophecy tells us everything Isaiah 46, 9 and 10. God wants us to know. He is the only one that can predict the future and we need to be part of that process. So my encouragement is to process things the best you can. Make sure you're in community, make sure you get plugged into a church, even though they may not be full-blown eschatology, but I think their moment of reality check is going to be coming when more of these dominoes begin to fall. So you want to be involved in reaching out to people and helping the best that you can helping the best that you can.
Speaker 2:Rick Archer Thanks, patrick.
Speaker 2:Patrick Vossensfeldt, there's only two kingdoms in view, one is the kingdom of God and the other is the kingdom of the world. There's no purgatory, purgatory and in the world. Um, so you're, you're either going to end up with in one or the other. It's wise today if you see, what's going on in the kingdom of the world is very, very dark. Even non-christians can understand that concept. Something's going on is really evil out there. This is the kingdom that wants to gobble you up and spit you out. It's going to do a good job spitting billions of people out.
Speaker 2:It's during the tribulation, especially now's the time to consider the kingdom of God For Christians. You know, paul wrote to the Philippian church. He said let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand. Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, make your request known to God. Then he caps it with this, and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds. In Christ Jesus, we're talking here about guarding your mind and your heart. This is something that God does in the end, but when you have the peace of God in your life I do, I know you guys do as well, but a lot of people don't have any peace. Some Christians don't have any peace in their life at all. They should reckon what God has already done for them, because he says don't be anxious for this stuff. You should be letting me guard your heart and your mind, and that's ultimately that will be the thing that carries us through, rather than being totally insane at the end of the process. Right, so?
Speaker 2:The tale of two kingdoms I think this is the biggest challenge that anybody who does not believe in biblical things whatever, or Christ or New Testament or anything People, need to consider. If I stay in the world that I'm in right now, I'm doomed. I'm doomed for your own right, for your own sin, but you're you're doomed in this world because this whole world is going going down. Eventually, it's going to be getting completely obliterated by the Lord Jesus Christ, and we see this in the book of revelation. For now it's just getting ugly. That's all I can say. Uh, the choice should be easy for christians to make be reconciled to god, like, like we said earlier, there's no other choice right for us right now. We, we must be reconciled, to reconcile to god, and he promises then to be to pour this stuff out on us, things like guarding our minds and our hearts so that we don't get caught up in the melee.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, look, I always look for opportunities. I'll just share a story that I saw this week my friend, charlie Garrett, pastor of a little tiny church in Sarasota, florida, and he lives out on Siesta Key that's got hit by Helene and got really hit by Hurricane Milton, and you know he puts up these videos. He puts up look, I don't agree with everything Charlie teaches. I'm sure he doesn't agree with everything my views on everything, but we're friends. I've spoken to his church, he's been to our church, we have a lot of people in our church, they're mutual friends and everything. But Charlie got hammered. I mean, his house was really beat up in those two storms. A lot of trash around and some of the people came, the news media came out. So you know he'll put up a sermon, he'll get a thousand views. Well, he put up a video about the hurricane and it's up over a million Because CNN came out and interviewed him and some other media and I don't know if it was CNN.
Speaker 1:But he said can we talk to you? And he goes yeah, if I can talk to you when you're done. So they did the interview and then he shared the gospel with them and led them to the Lord. So redeem the time. I guess it was, you know, I mean in very bad circumstances, standing in water and all this stuff and heat and everything. So God uses these circumstances in a great way. So, anyway, look, everyone links to everybody's websites, social media. To the extent that I know, it are um in the show notes below. Appreciate it If you would share, like, subscribe, whatever. Also on Brits channel, if you're listening on Brits channel, and we'll try to do this again in a month or so Uh, hope you find something of use and we just thank you so much for joining us tonight and taking the time out to join us. It is really humbling and greatly appreciated. So, guys, I'm going to say goodbye to you on the other side, so I'm going to end the live stream night. Good night everybody.
