Unmasking Freemasonry: Ex-Mason Reveals Satanic Agenda (Original Classic)

A Bill Cooper Classic:  Ex-Mason Reveals Satanic Agenda (Original Classic)

Ready to challenge everything you thought you knew about Freemasonry? William Morgan, a former insider turned whistleblower, takes us on a gripping journey through the clandestine world of Masonic lodges. From his eye-opening initiation rites to the hidden hierarchies, Morgan's revelations expose the stark contrast between Freemasonry's philanthropic facade and its secretive, power-hungry core. Listen as he details the rituals and oaths that bind members, sharing insights from his time with the Citizens Agency for Joint Intelligence (CAGI).

But the secrets don’t stop there. We delve into the darker side of Freemasonry, unmasking the elitist and discriminatory practices that permeate the organization. Discover the controversial legacy of Albert Pike and his ties to the Illuminati, and examine how Freemasonry has historically marginalized minorities and women. William Morgan uncovers the paradox of Prince Hall Lodges and the unsettling racial biases that persist within the craft, raising urgent questions about equality and justice.

We also shed light on the intricate symbols and coded language that Freemasons use to identify one another. Explore the controversial claim that Lucifer is worshipped as the true god in the higher degrees of the Scottish Rite, and understand how these esoteric beliefs shape their covert influence on public education and political power structures. From Masonic rings and handshakes to the unification of various secret societies, this episode is packed with revelations that challenge the benevolent image of Freemasonry and call into question its far-reaching impact on our world.

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Chapters

• 0:35 Undercover in the Mystery Schools
• 11:56 Freemasonry's Racism and Elite Exclusivity
• 18:56 Secrets of Freemasonry and Lucifer's Deception
• 28:09 Masonic Symbolism and Deception
• 38:35 Freemasonry
• 51:52 Famous Freemasons and Their Influence
• 1:04:13 Symbols and Secrets of Freemasonry
• 1:14:28 Exposing Freemasonry's Deception and Oaths
• 1:20:11 Masonic Influence in Public Education
• 1:25:40 Masonic Rings and Secret Signs
• 1:30:01 The Unification of Secret Societies
• 1:37:51 Masonic Symbolism and Ancient Wisdom

Transcript

Bill Cooper: 0:35

You. I'm your host, william Cooper. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm proud to have as my special guest today William Morgan, who is one of the members of the Citizens Agency for Joint Intelligence and has been for some time. Own story what he's been doing, how he's been doing it, what kind of information he has collected for our organization, for the citizens of this country and of the world, and we're going to talk about. Well, I guess you just have to call it undercover operation. This man has been undercover for the Citizens Agency for joint intelligence and I remember several episodes of the show before operation. This man has been undercover for the Citizens Agency for Joint Intelligence and I remember several episodes of the show before.

Bill Cooper: 1:29

Sometime, during the series that we call the Mystery Schools, which we've done I believe, 19 hours of broadcasting covering that subject I told you that we had infiltrated the lodge, the mystery schools, mystery Babylon. In fact, we have not only infiltrated it once, but many times in this country and in lodges around the world. So the information that we're giving you in the mystery schools is not conjecture. It does not come from a bunch of people sitting around making up information. It comes from the books printed by the mystery schools themselves. It comes from our members who are actually in the lodge and we check, double-check, everything that they bring to us. Please welcome to the hour of the time, william Morgan.

William Morgan: 2:20

Thank you, bill. You can call me Will and I really appreciate that gracious and honorable introduction.

Bill Cooper: 2:25

Well, we're certainly appreciative of everything that you Bill, you can call me Will and I really appreciate that gracious and honorable introduction. Well, we're certainly appreciative of everything that you've done. Tell us, will, how long have you been associated with the Mystery School?

William Morgan: 2:34

For over two years now. I became a Mason in June of 1991.

Bill Cooper: 2:39

And what happened? I mean, how did you ever even know about Freemasonry? And uh, what happened? I mean that how did you ever even know about?

William Morgan: 2:45

freemasonry, uh. At first, before I was uh exposed to your information, I was under the impression, as most people are, that they were philanthropic organization dealing mostly with charity or possibly even some way associated with unions and uh. As most caddy members have come to know, that is entirely not the case uh, did you have friends who were Freemasons? Yes, I worked with somebody who was a Freemason, and I've come to find out that that is usually the most common way that a person is exposed to the craft the craft as they call it.

Bill Cooper: 3:15

So they call it the craft amongst themselves. This is not something that the public is normally aware. What does the craft mean? What does that term mean?

William Morgan: 3:28

Well, they consider themselves craftsmen because they're building something, and there have been many organizations throughout history, with the incredible similarities to the present modern cult of Freemasonry, that have called themselves builders common scenes. They've associated with themselves always with the erection of a structure or the building of something that people just do not understand. We've come to understand that what they are erecting is the New World Order, and they've been working on it for thousands and thousands of years.

Bill Cooper: 3:56

That's correct. Now, did your friend or friends try to proselytize you or talk you into joining the lodge?

William Morgan: 4:06

No, not at all. I must admit, I did go to them and I was not entirely aware of the nature of their organization or of what was in store for me when I became a member, or a brother as they call it.

Bill Cooper: 4:19

Now, if you had not joined CAGI, would you still be sort of in the dark about the true meaning of Freemasonry? Or do the members really learn the truth about the organization during their, their period of time there?

William Morgan: 4:34

had I not joined CAGI, I would be as as empty-headed and as trusting a sheeple as most of the Freemasons in America and across the world are today. They are not taught what the craft is about. They do not question authority at all. As a rule and from my personal experience and observation they obey the rules without question and to the letter.

Bill Cooper: 4:59

Now a lot of people out there are going to wonder and I know that Freemasons are going to bring this up that if you didn't learn what you now believe that you know about the mystery schools in the lodge, how do you know that? What you've learned while you've become a CAGI member, how do you know that that is true?

William Morgan: 5:19

Well, because I can verify for myself. I can get up and check the facts and look and look again to verify what is going on about the mystery schools. But for what the Masons claim to be, they have absolutely no proof or evidence, or even works of their own hand, to prove that they are actually involved in charity work now, when you began to study, you were studying actually from two sources.

Bill Cooper: 5:44

You were studying the mystery religion in the lodge study. You were studying actually from two sources. You were studying the mystery religion in the lodge actually, and you were studying what you were learning from the Citizens Agency, from Joint Intelligence, and trying to rectify the two or bring the two together and make it fit. The two together and make it fit. When did you finally decide that that what you were learning in the lodge was really a deception.

William Morgan: 6:12

The uh, the absolute clincher for me. What absolutely decided for me to be telling the shadow of a doubt and yes, I had in my suspicions, since I, since I had very first become a member you don't take a blood oath kneeling before an altar, swearing yourself to secrecy for all time, without being set, without the group you're becoming a member of being suspect and, but you were taking.

Bill Cooper: 6:36

You did take these widows yes, sir, I took, I took all, all of them, and there were many and so, by the time you reach the degree level that you are at now, you've taken approximately how many oaths I don't even recollect.

William Morgan: 6:50

I know that there were over two dozen oaths before. You can even become a master mason in a, in a blue lodge of freemasonry, which is a bit like primary school for freemasons. The blue lodge is where they are brought in as new members from off the street, and most, most men who are involved in masonry for their lifetimes consider the Blue Lodge to be the heart and soul of masonry, because that is where it all begins and that is where it all grows from.

Bill Cooper: 7:15

But isn't it true that many masons never advance beyond the third degree and remain in the Blue Lodge forever?

William Morgan: 7:23

That is absolutely true. Whether or not they do not choose to go forth or whether they're totally unaware that there's anywhere to go is up to personally the Mason that's involved, but many of them stay right where they're at and seem to be content with what they have.

Bill Cooper: 7:42

So these master Masons who claim that they know everything about Freemasonry and that they've been a master mason for 20 years, do they really know anything?

William Morgan: 7:54

They know absolutely nothing. They have been completely deceived from the very first day they entered the lodge. They have been lied to regularly about the nature of the craft, the work of the craft and the charity of the craft. My own lodge that I'm a member of considers its charity work for the entire last year to be the donation of $100, which is a little more than the dues yearly for three members. They gave $100 to a needy family and through these very, very shallow and superficial acts they consider themselves to be one of the greatest charity and brotherhood organizations ever to walk the face of the earth.

Bill Cooper: 8:31

A recent thorough investigation of the Shriners, who have literally made their reputation upon the fact that they contribute tremendous amounts of money to charity. But the investigation disclosed that of all the money they take in, less than 3% actually goes to any charity. Were you aware of that?

William Morgan: 8:55

No, actually I was not. I'm not a member of the Shrine, but I have been exposed to some of their numbers. I was hoping that it would at least be a little bit higher than that, because that says bad things about the Masons who are members of the Shrine members. I was hoping that it would at least be a little bit higher than that, because that says bad things about the masons who are members of the Shrine and, as most people know, the Shrine is probably one of the largest quote-unquote charity organizations that there is, and one of the richest.

Bill Cooper: 9:19

But most of the money seems to go back into the lodge, or to the members, or to the retirement funds or to the payment of the lodge officers, and this is something else. People don't realize that the lodge officers are paid and they have a retirement fund set aside for them. Is that true?

William Morgan: 9:34

Yes, that is true. Now, this doesn't apply directly to all officers of the lodge. I myself am an officer of the lodge that I was indoctrinated into a duly elected member. They operate in that kind of manner with elected officials that serve one-year terms. But there is an exception to this rule, and that is the secretary and the treasurer. And the secretary keeps the books and the treasurer keeps the money, and that points a very big finger as to where the true power in every lodge lies, because these two gentlemen who held these offices usually hold them for years and years and years.

Bill Cooper: 10:10

And they're not elected and they're not accountable. Is that correct?

William Morgan: 10:14

They are totally unaccountable. The treasurer will give a one-budget report at a certain time during the year and I listened to this report not two months ago at a certain time during the year, and I listened to this report not two months ago.

Bill Cooper: 10:26

And if, if an accountant in the business world attempted to give such a superfluous report to his boss, he would be fired on the spot now, just so our listening audience realizes that, that you're not just some yay who walked in off the street and went through the first degree and they're now in a radio program trying to tell them you know something about Freemasonry. What is the level of your status or your degree, or how high have you progressed through the initiatory levels?

William Morgan: 10:58

It's not exactly something that any thinking individual would like to brag about, but I have shot like a rocket up the ranks of Freemasonry, much like in brag about. But I have shot like a rocket up the ranks of Freemasonry, much like in America today. The Masons like to keep their members busy, busy, busy. They don't want to give them time to think about what they're doing and they don't want to give them time to think about where they're going. They do this by ritual. All of Masonry is tied up in ritual and you must memorize this ritual and it is very, very extensive. Each office has its own whole, whole slew of ritual to remember, to remember. But I I worked hard, I I've got a good memory.

Bill Cooper: 11:35

I rose to the ranks and I'm now a 32nd degree Mason of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, southern jurisdiction in the United States of America and this is the same branch of Freemasonry that Albert Pike belonged to, that created the Ku Klux Klan, the B'nai B'rith and the branch off the B'nai B'rith called the ADL or Anti-Defamation League. Is that correct?

William Morgan: 11:55

Absolutely true. Albert Pike is considered to be a demigod among Freemasons and actually a source of light all of his own. He took the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, which did exist for some time before him. He took it after the Civil War and turned it into what it is today. He incorporated much of the pagan symbology into the degrees that are still used in practice today. His name is revered. I've seen a bigger life-size bust of complete bronze of Albert Pike that was created for $25,000 so that money was mine.

Bill Cooper: 12:32

By the way, they treat him next to God hood in the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry were you aware that Albert Pike was in constant communication and in concert with Giuseppe Mazzini in creating? Not only creating, but Albert Pike at one time was the sovereign grand commander of all Freemasonry in the world and operated in concert with Giuseppe Mazzini in control of what we now know is the world body known as the Illuminati the name Mazini is familiar to me and I have come across its connection to the Illuminati in my research.

William Morgan: 13:11

But no, I was not personally aware. And and this comes as no surprise because, and with the exception of my own personal research, most of my information comes from the archives of the Lodges I have participated and visited or from Freemasons themselves, and all information is questionable at best. Never once, with the exception of one word, have I heard any reference to the Illuminati, and yet my own research points exactly in their direction for the true source of the Masons' power and the reason for their concealment.

Bill Cooper: 13:43

But no, I did not know about Mazzini do the, do the members of the lodge consider themselves to be illumined?

William Morgan: 13:49

all of them do, and without even knowing the definition of the term, the true definition of the term, they consider themselves illuminated. They, they go around, they have that secret little smile and they generally talk no, not generally. They always talk down about most of the other people in the world, and I've even heard grown men refer to fellow Americans, brothers, as profane simply because they had not advanced through the ritual of Freemasonry.

Bill Cooper: 14:16

I remember a friend of mine who was a young man who was not a member of the Lodge but his father was. And he had a friend who belonged to another family who was not a member of the lodge but his father was. And he had a friend who belonged to another family who was not a member of the lodge but owned a small business in town and his small business was being destroyed by the members of the lodge simply because he was not a freemason and the business was going to members or lodge brothers. And he asked his father why his friend's family was literally being destroyed by his father and others who professed to be members of a fraternal organization existing for the benefit of the community. And his father told him and I'll never forget this because it literally crushed my friend His father told him this quote if you are not one of us, you are nothing. Unquote. Is this generally true? Is this the way Freemasons generally think about people who do not belong to their organization?

William Morgan: 15:11

I have personally seen masonry interfere with family ties before and, yes, this is just how they look at the world. They consider the world to be profane, unilluminated, and this just goes hand in hand with the general attitude that is conveyed by all Masons that they are on their road to their own form of godhood, and this manifests itself in severe racism. For all the people out there that may not be too familiar with Masons or Masonry, and this especially goes for members of minority groups, who have often and usually continue to be excluded from Masonryry, and especially for women, I'm here to tell you that you are not welcome in the lodge, you never will be and you never have been welcomed a lot. This especially goes for blacks, in spite of the, the Prince Hall masonry, which is the biggest joke and the biggest scam and the biggest insult to any single race I've ever seen, and especially for women. They do not want you and they consider you totally ineligible and unable to understand what they do.

Bill Cooper: 16:11

You told me something the other night that I found just incredible. You said that you could go to any Prince Hall Lodge in any black community and the doors would be open to you and you'd be welcome. But if one of those members or brothers of the lodge of the prince hall lodge came to your lodge and tried to come in and participate in these, in the uh ceremonies or or whatever you call them, uh, what would happen?

William Morgan: 16:37

it wouldn't happen. It just simply wouldn't happen. I, as a caucasian freemason, can visit any Prince Hall Lodge in the country and as far as I know in the world, I can also visit any lodge period across the world. I've been told through my initiation that I am welcome in any lodge, but this just does not apply to blacks, no matter that, even if the ritual that they go through and I do not know this for certain, but I know it's similar but even if the ritual were exact, even if the same form of quote-unquote illumination that they underwent was exact, they could not ever and I sit in a lodge with Caucasian Freemasons. I've never seen a black Freemason sit in a lodge among Caucasians and I don't think I will.

Bill Cooper: 17:18

Equal opportunity and affirmative action laws are just completely ignored and considered frivolous and a joke by all freemasons, so the New World Order that they're bringing into being is going to be racist.

William Morgan: 17:29

Entirely. It has an Aryan background and that is where it comes from.

Bill Cooper: 17:34

And that's been borne out by our research. Why, then, would the black community form their own lodges and support the bringing about of a New World Order that is going to relegate them back into slavery, and, I might add, along with the rest of us who don't belong to this religion, and it is a religion. Why would they participate in something like that?

William Morgan: 17:54

Well, as you've told me yourself, and most people will understand this, the world loves a mystery, and you can control the masses by dangling a secret like a carrot in front of their nose and promising them the answer to that secret, if they just merely do what you say and and and work for you. This, together with man's own fallible, entirely fallible human nature and the selfishness of man and the ego of man, they want to be something. They want to be better than than the people around them that they see, and since they have been told straight out that they can never advance to the ranks of caucasian freemasons, they have settled for just being better than their own people and excluding other blacks from joining their own lodge so one of the holes that freemasonry has over people is that ordinary people, whether they be black, white, caucasian, oriental, hispanic, doesn't matter.

Bill Cooper: 18:44

They want to be part of the elect. Is that true?

William Morgan: 18:46

Exactly. They want to join the elite. They'd like to look down on their fellow man.

Bill Cooper: 18:51

Okay Now, if nobody coerced you, nobody proselytized you, how did you get into the lodge?

William Morgan: 18:56

I went to the door and I knocked on it.

Bill Cooper: 18:59

Now, this man is no dummy, you have to understand. Within two years he has risen from entered apprentice to 32nd degree Freemason of the Scottish Rite of the Southern Jurisdiction. Now, that's quite a distinction within the lodge, isn't it?

William Morgan: 19:15

Well, yeah, it can be considered as such. It does get a measure of respect from those who never advanced past the 3rd degree of Master Mason.

Bill Cooper: 19:24

And what is the next step?

William Morgan: 19:27

After the 32nd degree, there is publicly known only one more degree of Freemasonry, and that is the 33rd degree.

Bill Cooper: 19:36

And you said publicly known. Does that mean that there's more?

William Morgan: 19:39

I suspect that there is, that there really is more.

Bill Cooper: 19:43

Do you know that? For?

William Morgan: 19:44

sure? No, I do not know it for sure. I've heard there's a man by the name of Reverend Jim Shaw who was a well, he actually still is by Masonic law, who still is a 33rd degree Freemason, and when he became a 33rd degree he knew another Mason who was going through the same ritual, who said that he was going to advance even further because he had professed a support for the Luciferian doctrine that they preach.

Bill Cooper: 20:09

So what you have just said, this is coming from your mouth, a 32nd degree Freemason of the Scottish Rite. You have just said I didn't prompt you. I didn't ask you the question. In fact you just surprised me because I was going to lead up to this. But you just said the Luciferian doctrine. Can you explain that?

William Morgan: 20:26

I can explain that absolutely. Masons believe in light. It is a priority part of their entire ritual. Now, light to a Mason symbolizes knowledge and also intellect, and if you've paid attention to the Mystery School broadcast, you know who the patron god of intellect is. It is Lucifer, and in fact his very name means the farrier or the bearer of light. Luce is Latin for light and farrier. This is the true god of Freemasonry and this is also, to my great shame, the god that I knelt at the altar before and swore my blood oaths to the.

Bill Cooper: 21:04

God that I knelt at the altar before and swore my blood oaths to. But when you did this, were you aware that you were swearing your blood oaths to Lucifer and not to the God of the Christian Bible?

William Morgan: 21:11

Absolutely not. Everything about masonry says and publicly says that their God is the same God as any God, the God of Hindus, the God of Arabs, the God of Christians. But it's just not so. It's a lie and it's a scam, and all you have to do is study paganism, nature worship and the mystery religions of Babylon to see who that real God is.

Bill Cooper: 21:33

So you have done this study on your own and you've checked out the publications and the doctrines and the symbology within your own lodge and you've arrived at the conclusion that the God of Freemasonry is who?

William Morgan: 21:48

The God of Freemasonry is Lucifer, who is actually Satan, cast from heaven for one specific reason, and that is because he, like many other Masons, sought to attain Godhood in his own time.

Bill Cooper: 21:59

And isn't that really the goal of Freemasonry is? By their works they will become God.

William Morgan: 22:04

Exactly. It is a matter of work. Salvation has nothing to do with it. There is no repentance of sin, and in their minds, mankind was never separated from God, but is able to be an equal to or superior to.

Bill Cooper: 22:16

God. The only thing that bothers me in the performance of their religion is that they are attempting to control and manipulate the rest of us into a one world totalitarian socialist government with a one world religion that we will all have to bow down to, with Lucifer or Satan as the head of that religion actually incarnated in a human body. They intend to install Lucifer upon the throne of the world. Have you found any, any credence for this?

William Morgan: 22:49

I found great credence for this, and the best place to go to confirm this is just pick up the books more, pick up the book morals and dogma by Albert Pike. He himself will state, number one, that masonry is a religion, and number two, that Lucifer is involved. That is all I needed to confirm my suspicions, and it should be all that is needed to confirm the suspicions of all the other Masons that are out there wandering in darkness, thinking that they are living in illumination so free most Freemasons?

Bill Cooper: 23:16

do they really believe that Freemasonry is a Christian organization?

William Morgan: 23:20

no, no, they really don't. They may themselves be, and most in America are, but it is a strict rule and law of the lodge, written into their own constitutions, that no discussions or debates. Of mine, who was a police officer in the lodge of which I'm a member, and when he was asked in whom he put his trust, he said the Lord, jesus Christ. And from that day forward, even though he's a law enforcement officer and vitally important to the New World Order, he has been ostracized and he has been left out of many of the activities that got me to where I am in the craft today, and I do not think that he will be even allowed to progress any farther because of that in fact, I think you told me the other night that that that was the first time that you had ever heard the name of Jesus Christ mentioned in that Lodge ever, and is that true?

William Morgan: 24:17

absolutely, or any other lodge or any Masonic publication or any writing or even any words out of another Freemasons mouth. It is just not part of their vocabulary. In fact, I've have very firm believes that the name itself brings actual pain to their ears now.

Bill Cooper: 24:35

We know that the lodge will welcome anyone who attends any church, synagogue, temple, cathedral. It belongs to any religion whatsoever. But we know that Freemasonry is a religion because we've studied it and we have people like you who are a Freemason at a very high degree and have confirmed it, and their own writing confirms it. Albert Pike has stated it in writing in his book Morals and Dogma and in others of his writings, I might add, and Manly P Hall has confirmed that. So if Freemasonry is a religion, yet they accept members, people who go to other churches in the community and many different religions that have doctrines that don't agree at all. How can they rectify that? I, how can you explain this? How can this be?

William Morgan: 25:28

it just is. And any Mason that holds his religious convictions dear and becomes a member of the lodge is in direct conflict with his own beliefs and his own, his own faith, it they, the two cannot go together, have never been able to go together, and I don't think they ever will be. And I'd like to ask all of my well, I'd just like to tell all of my brothers in the lodges out there how can you possibly believe that Freemasonry is not a religion? You meet in a Masonic temple. You knelt at a Masonic altar with the Holy Bible or, in other countries, a different holy book, the Koran or many other texts. You knelt there and swore your blood oath in the name of a deity, and quiet respect is demanded in any and all lodges all over the world, just like in any temple. You have been living a lie and if you don't wake up pretty soon the New World Order will turn around and eat your lunch.

Bill Cooper: 26:20

for you living a lie and if you don't wake up, pretty soon, the new world order will turn around and eat your lunch for you. Uh, isn't it a fact that they believe they're going to be an integral part of this new world order? However, most of them really will not be this is the great joke.

William Morgan: 26:31

This is the punch line to the whole affair. They believe and see themselves as the priest and the priesthood of the new world order. They think that when all things start falling apart, that they are going to be the ones that rise up phoenix-like, out of the ashes, bring the world together and deliver them into the hands of Lucifer. Like I said, they consider themselves builders, and what they're building is the New World Order and it's being erected like a prison around us even as we speak. And the capstone and you ought to take a look at the Great Seal of the United States to get a feel for this the capstone of the New World Order, of the building that they're creating, is actually Lucifer himself.

Bill Cooper: 27:08

And isn't that the symbol of Lucifer, the all-seeing eye above the pyramid, the symbol of light? It actually began as the symbol of the sun, which was the symbol of the light, which was the symbol for Lucifer, and over the years, years it evolved into an eye. Christians are told that that is the the eye of god, but nobody ever bothers to ask which god or what's the name of this god. Uh, and you know if, if a muslim were to ask in the middle east, they would say it's the eye of of god, and they would think that it was the eye of Allah. And in the Far East, somebody might think it was the eye of Buddha, but this is never explained. In effect, it really began representing the Sun. It became the eye. The Sun has always been the representation of wisdom, or the intellect, or knowledge, which is all the Luciferian doctrine. It is the symbol for the light, lucifer, the fallen angel, the Luciferian philosophy these are.

William Morgan: 28:07

These are facts. This is just the way it is. I'm holding in my hand this very moment a official Masonic medallion that is handed out to many Masons as a gift, especially at enter princess, at the very top and taken up the. The main position in this medallion is the all-seeing eye, and this eye is, just as Bill Cooper has said, a combination of the eye of quote-unquote God and I stress that quote-unquote more than any other and also it is the sun. It is a symbol of sun worship. The eye that I'm seeing, the lashes on the eye on this medallion that I'm holding, are actually the rays of the sun coming down to illuminate the fellow masons. It is. It is more than just a religion, as albert pikus professed. It is the oldest known religion. It is a pagan religion of sun worship, it is nature worship and it is incredibly dangerous to free loving people everywhere you wanted to read something from a book that you have there.

Bill Cooper: 29:00

this is a book that I highly recommend, that everybody in the listening audience must read. This book, you must read this book. You can find it at most religious bookstores, christian or otherwise. They usually stock it. It's called the Godmakers the Godmakers by Ed Decker and Dave Hunt. And let me see who the publishers are Harvest House Publishers, eugene, oregon, 97402. That's Harvest House Publishers, eugene, oregon, 97402. Again, the name of the book is the Godmakers by Ed Decker and Dave Hunt. This book truly will open your eyes. You wanted to read something from that book.

William Morgan: 29:41

Yes, sir, I was reading this last night and it just stopped me in my tracks. I'm at page 60 of the Godmakers and the chapter entitled the Mormon Dilemma. And this book is about the Mormons, and once you begin reading it you'll see, through the mystery schools, just how close Freemasonry and Mormonism actually is. The subtitle of this part is called the Pagan Connection. Again, I'll read it quickly.

William Morgan: 30:03

As CS Lewis and a number of other experts have concluded, there are only two religions in the world Christianity and Hinduism or paganism. One teaches that we are separated from the one true God by sin, and that God became a man to die for our sins. The other declares that men are not separated from God, but that each person has within himself the power to overcome evil and thus to become God, or at least a God with a small g. Hinduism or paganism embraces and absorbs everything except biblical Christianity, which is its only genuine rival. Although it uses Christian language to disguise its paganism, just as many Masonic lodges do, mormonism is less Christian than it is Hindu.

William Morgan: 30:41

The basic dilemma faced by every Mormon is the direct result of its Hindu roots. In the Bhagavad Gita, krishna declares that he comes forth to save the righteous and to condemn the sinners. This is exactly the opposite for the biblical Christ who came to save sinners. The great complaint of paganism and all occult secret societies of which I am presently a member is that, whereas one must be worthy to join them, christianity deliberately embraces the unworthy. And to prove my worthiness to join the lodge, I had to go ask them to become a member. At the time that I joined it was against the Constitution's bylaw the Constitution of Masonry, I should stress for any Mason to come to me profane and ask me to join, for any mason to come to me, a profane, and ask me to join.

Bill Cooper: 31:22

And, in effect, actually isn't the Mormon church just another branch of the old mystery religion of Babylon.

William Morgan: 31:29

It can be nothing else. They have three degrees. They have ritual that they adhere to. They are sworn to secrecy with blood oaths inside of a temple. They have a structural hierarchy that is in the structure of a pyramid, and all those that are initiated into this temple ritual seek nothing else but to climb the pyramid. The reward, the carrot that is dangled in front of their nose that keeps them working hard, hard, hard, is that they will experience and attain godhood for themselves.

Bill Cooper: 31:56

And many of the rituals that are practiced in the temple are the exact same rituals that are practiced in the Masonic temple.

William Morgan: 32:05

I cannot personally confirm this, but the research that I am involved in at this time supports this, and also the research of experts who are far better and far more along in their work than I am totally supports this claim, and you should verify it for yourself.

Bill Cooper: 32:19

Absolutely. You know the warning that we always give on this show don't believe anything that you hear on this show, or any other show, or from the president or Dan Rather or anyone, until you check it out yourself. If these people are involved in subverting the freedoms of others and bringing about a one-world totalitarian socialist government which we have confirmed that they are then it is our business and our duty to stop them bingo bill and you've hit upon something that is a catch-22 for all Masons.

William Morgan: 32:51

Part of the blood oath says that you can never and you must swear this on penalty of very painful and bloody death that you will never, ever release any of the secrets of masonry to a member of the profane, to somebody out there in the big world. But when you become a mason and as I did, I always ask questions wherever I go. I asked some hard questions and I got nothing. There were no answers forthcoming. They looked me straight in the eye and they said I can't tell you.

Bill Cooper: 33:17

How do you rectify what you're doing on this show with the oaths that you took saying that you can't do this?

William Morgan: 33:25

Well, we've discussed this and I have had some personal dilemmas that I've had to face, but I genuinely believe that when they do not tell me the whole truth about what I'm getting into, in fact, when they deliberately mislead me and deceive me about what I'm getting into, that that must totally invalidate the contract or the oath of which I've sworn. It just cannot be any other way. They have lied and I have been honest and I have been forthcoming to them, but they have not returned it as such.

Bill Cooper: 33:55

And I found myself in the same position, folks, because when I was in the military, and specifically with the Office of Naval Intelligence, I had to sign security oaths saying that I would never talk about anything that I was involved with.

Bill Cooper: 34:08

But later, when I began to realize that I was going to have to, I also understood that the only things that I would talk about were those things that the intelligence community, the military, those in the government were doing, were doing to destroy the sovereignty of the United States of America, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and to bring about really a traitorous new government, the New World Order, and that I was not going to be involved in any traitorous activity and my first and only loyalty was to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights of the United States and not to some phony manipulation called a security oath, which many people are trapped under, thinking that they cannot talk about many of the things they participated in that are actually destroying this nation, destroying the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These people are traitors. I could not be a traitor, nor will I ever be. What do you feel about this new world order that's coming?

William Morgan: 35:11

It makes me want to vomit. You're absolutely right. They are traitors. They have turned their backs on their people. They have turned their backs on their country. They have turned their backs on their family. They are living a lie and it's not going to turn out exactly how they think. They are like the cops, the police officers in America that are deliberately destroying the Constitution and treating their own people as an enemy. They can't be a cop forever, neither can you be a practicing mason forever. One day, that protection that you cherish so much must end, and when it does, it will turn around and it will gobble you up, like it's gobbling up so many other people right now.

Bill Cooper: 35:43

Well, not only that, but many Americans are waking up. The patriots in this country, the people who really understand and love the Constitution and Bill of Rights, are going to have an awful lot to say about what's happening. And of course, there are other people like me, like you. We have the largest civilian intelligence gathering organization in the world, operating full time, breaking this secrecy down, bringing together the truth, and now we're running out of time for another episode of the Hour of the Time. Folks, I want you to remember we love you, we care about you, or we wouldn't be doing this good night.

Bill Cooper: 36:23

Tonight is part two of our interview with William Morgan, and many of you are wondering if that's his real name. No, it is not. We protect cadgy members. We never know, we never tell anyone how many caddy members we have, where they're at, what their names are, anything. None of that information is given out, not even to other CAGI members. Now we use the code name or the pseudonym of William Morgan simply because the name William Morgan is significant. In the past of the secret society called Freemasonry, william Morgan was murdered by Freemasons after having revealed, printed in a book, some of the secrets of the lodge, and this was done back in the 1800s. Of course the fraternity of Freemason denies that they murdered William Morgan. However, their version differs significantly from the official version and from the proof and the evidence that we have spent many, many hundreds of man hours digging up and on the murder of william morgan will welcome back thank you, bill.

Bill Cooper: 37:33

It's a pleasure to be here and, uh, I'm really proud and happy to be here and doing what I'm doing you know, I don't think a lot of people realize that you're risking your life by doing this the oaths that you have taken, albeit because they were fraudulent. You thought that you were making an oath to the god of the bible and in fact you were making an oath to lucifer, which which nullifies those oaths, but they still the Brotherhood, the Order, the Illuminati, the Freemasons, could still carry out the threat of those oaths, which is murder. Is that not correct?

William Morgan: 38:09

Absolutely correct. No matter what I may personally feel about or what common law or the actual law may view about those oaths as taken, the Masons that are involved consider them to be absolutely applicable to any transgression and they have been enforced, and the bloody punishments that are part of the oaths have happened to Masons before and they will happen again, I'm sure.

Bill Cooper: 38:35

Now you are. What degree? Let's get that out for the people in case we have some new listeners tonight. What degree are you?

William Morgan: 38:40

I am a 32nd degree Freemason of the Scottish Rite of the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States.

Bill Cooper: 38:45

And what is the official title of that degree?

William Morgan: 38:49

The official title is the Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret, and that is not only the title of the degree, it is also the title of the ritual that the degree is conferred to. And just to show you how important that is, after going through the ritual and getting the degree is conferred to, and just to show you how important that is, after going through the ritual and getting the degree conferred upon me, I can neither remember anything sublime or even remember what the secret was that they told me why is it that you couldn't remember the secrets of the degree?

William Morgan: 39:17

well, that's a bit of a long story and I won't go entirely into it, but it started off. The day I was conferred began at 6 o'clock in the morning and they just rushed through it. There was no memory work to do, as in the Blue Lodge, where a person has to memorize the ritual and then give it back. You just sit there and received in an audience-like capacity and when it came to swearing the oath, you merely held up your hand and said I do. You also did take that oath on kneeling on one knee, as you did in the Blue Lodge let's get into some of the ceremonies.

Bill Cooper: 39:49

How does this start? It begins in the Blue Lodge with the with the first degree of injured apprentice, and it goes up and you've actually traversed 32 degrees of initiation. Are there side roads off of this?

William Morgan: 40:02

Yeah, well, it's a bit difficult. The Blue Lodge is where everything begins and the Blue Lodge where Mason is initiated at is called the Mother Lodge from that time after, in specific reference to him personally. Now, once you get past the third degree, become a Master Mason. In your Blue Lodge you are able to hold an officer, hold a chair as an officer inside the lodge and you can spend up to 10 years going through the chairs and become an officer. But after that you can either go to the scottish right or the yorkish right. There's a fork in the road of masonry and the scottish right is by far the most popular and undoubtedly the most powerful.

Bill Cooper: 40:41

Now the York right has seven degrees. Is that true?

William Morgan: 40:46

True, the highest of which being the Knight Templar degree. For all those people out there who think that the Knights Templar are in no way associated with Masons, you're dead wrong and you haven't done your homework.

Bill Cooper: 40:56

In fact the Knights Templar, when they first began as an organization on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, were not an order commissioned or ordained or approved or even recognized by any church, but were in fact an order of the mysteries. They began with seven degrees and the seventh degree was the highest degree and later, as they added degrees, when the Knights Templar were persecuted and in fact many of them were put to death, others were driven into hiding in other countries, and in some of the countries they just changed their names and continued the order and they eventually reached a number of degrees, which was 33, and I took that right out of a very old textbook on the secret society. But what is the significance that you've been told of the system of degrees? Why do you have to go through this?

William Morgan: 42:01

it's considered a road. It's considered a road to quote-unquote illumination. I really believe that it's more of a system of control and self-government. Lodges are are pretty unique in America in that they are self-sustaining and self-governing even with their own bit of enforcement. All lodges have been granted a charter from a Grand Lodge and every Grand L All lodges have been granted a charter from a Grand Lodge and every Grand Lodge in this country has been granted a charter from the United States government to operate on its own and enforce its own laws and constitutions. If a police officer or any law enforcement officer walks into a lodge while in session, not only does he not have arrest power, but that lodge immediately closes.

Bill Cooper: 42:41

Now this is something the American people don't know about. Now, if these are lodges, they're in states. They have nothing to do with the federal government. How could they receive a charter from the federal government saying that they're under their own laws? Enforcement officer would not have the authority to arrest or any of his other authorized duties in a Freemasonic law.

William Morgan: 43:08

It beats me, bill. It's really a bit of a contradiction in terms. You have a government that has actually gone out and given government type status to a completely and secret and, I think, subversive organization right under its own nose. The similar thing can be seen in the Mormon church and in other secret societies that are not nearly so famous as Freemasonry itself. The government has, by granting this charter, I believe, undermined its own stability as a functioning organization. Well, tell us about this charter. Tell us undermined its own stability as a functioning organization.

Bill Cooper: 43:42

Well, tell us about this charter. Tell us again what you said before. I don't want anyone to miss this, because it's very important. It shows how secret government can be formed. It tells that these members of these secret societies literally have diplomatic immunity and can get away with whatever they want to get away with. Not only that, but they have their members sitting in the most powerful posts, both within society, on local levels and local cities, local counties and state governments, in the higher echelons of the military, and they permeate all the positions of control within the bureaucracy of the federal government. So tell us what this charter is again.

William Morgan: 44:21

Okay, it's a document put out by the federal government. So tell us what this charter is again. Okay, it is a. It's a document put out by the, by the federal government, and it can be any government in the world. To my knowledge, every government in the country in the world has granted, that has lodges in it has granted, a sovereign charter to the, the Grand Lodges under its jurisdiction.

William Morgan: 44:38

I really haven't done enough research to speak at length on the nature of the charter or what it exactly implies universally for Freemasonry, but I do know for a fact that a law enforcement officer and we have many law enforcement officers in our lodge, from state troopers to policemen to military policemen they're not cops. When they walk into the lodge they leave their power, their badges and their guns outside, and they do so willingly. That's a pretty good example, but I think the best example comes from the Knights of Malta, and here's another one for you guys out there that haven't done your homework. I'm reading from the glossary of a book entitled Freemasonry, a Celebration of the Craft, which is put out by the craft itself, and it defines Knights of Malta as a Christian Masonic degree based upon the medieval Knights, hospitallers, and emphasizing the Christian value, christian virtues well, you can leave the Christian out of like. But there's.

William Morgan: 45:29

What's interesting about the Knights of Malta is they actually do have diplomatic immunity as an organization. They can bring goods in and out of this country without going through customs and they cannot be arrested or they cannot be detained or charged with any crime by any law enforcement officer in the country. They are, they're above sovereign as far as I know. They're above most government officials that are in the land that's a fact, and they actually carry diplomatic passports.

Bill Cooper: 45:51

I know several uh people personally who are members of the knights the sovereign order, the military knights of malta, and they carried diplomatic passports and began as citizens of the United States of America. Now, what happens when a police officer and most police officers we have discovered are at least the ones who make law enforcement a career and most, if not all, judges sitting upon benches in this country are Freemasons? What happens when you're speeding down a highway and you're stopped by a law enforcement officer? What happens when he sees the Masonic emblem on your windshield?

William Morgan: 46:34

Usually what you have is a direct turnaround in attitude. I myself am a young man. I get hassled by cops a little bit. It seems like they always have cop an attitude when they pull me over, but when they see me, my sonic square encompasses on my car and, most importantly, when I flip out my dues-paying card a card that all dues-paying masons carry the police officer. Well, let me just put it this way I've never once got a speeding ticket or a traffic ticket, or have even been harassed in any way when they have known that I am a Mason. It just has not happened. That is my personal experience.

Bill Cooper: 47:08

So the justice system in this country doesn't really work and Freemasons are, in effect, exempt from the laws that the rest of us are supposed to follow. Is that true?

William Morgan: 47:19

Yeah, that could be probably construed as as accurate uh bill, although I disagree. It does work. It just doesn't work the way most people think it works.

Bill Cooper: 47:27

It works for them and with them and around them, and it works on the rest of you that's right now what happens when a freemason goes in the court against someone who's not a freemason and the judge is a freemason um, okay, well, you have have a very subtle interaction that goes on.

William Morgan: 47:44

All Masons are taught secret signs and secret words and secret phrases, and this is what they don't want revealed more than anything else. You can stand in a particular position, you can hold your arms in a particular position, you can speak certain words, the widow's son, traveling man, key words and phrases that will let this judge know that you are a Mason, and you can almost guarantee that he is a Mason too, or else he wouldn't have been able to lock down a lasting career in the judiciary.

Bill Cooper: 48:16

That's correct, and that would explain why some people just don't seem to ever get prosecuted for anything, and others, who may commit the same crime or a much lesser offense, seem to be inordinately punished, given such a heavy burden of punishment, while others, who have done the same thing, receive either nothing or a pat on the wrist.

William Morgan: 48:43

Well, brothers, look out for each other. It's just the way the system works. It's a buddy system. It's a you scratch my back, I scratch yours. As a matter of fact, in the oath that a Mason swears, he swears that he will uphold and defend a fellow Mason and any problem that he may encounter treason and murder. A Mason, a fellow Mason, in any problem that he may encounter treason and murder, alone accepted. But they left at their election, which means that even if a fellow Mason is a traitor to his country we know that could never happen he's a traitor to his country. His brother Mason has his own choice whether he wants to turn him in or not. He is not obligated to do so and, obeying the laws of masonry above the laws of the land, he's probably not even going to consider it.

Bill Cooper: 49:25

So, in other words, one way of infiltrating and controlling our society and our government, both on a local, state and national level, and the military, is for one of the Freemasons to get into a position where he can then appoint or hire freemasons below him. When people come to apply for that job, who gets the job?

William Morgan: 49:46

Well, that's self-explanatory. The mason will get the job every time. Another part of the oath is that you will look out for the interest of your brother masons in whatever capacity they may be in. In fact, it could probably be construed that not giving the job to a Brother Mason would bring serious repercussions if discovered inside the lodge, and may even be a violation of the oath.

Bill Cooper: 50:07

There you go, folks, all of you who have been telling me that I don't know what I'm talking about and that they haven't infiltrated and appointed their members below them and literally taken over all levels of society, both local, state and federal, and the military. You just heard it from the lips of a 32nd degree Freemason that is exactly how they do it and that is exactly what has been done. You have to understand that since this country was conceived and brought into reality, freemasons have controlled it and their goal, always from the the beginning, was to bring about a one world, totalitarian socialist government. Our forefathers knew full well the foibles of human nature and this country was described, in their own words, as the great experiment. And the experiment, folks, was to find out if we truly could be responsible, could rule ourselves, would not give in to the foibles of human nature and give our country and our individual freedoms and rights away. This, would you concur with what I've just said?

William Morgan: 51:16

I couldn't argue with you and I wouldn't want to start an argument with you, bill. I have heard higher-level Masons refer to the United States in their writings and in person, as a Mason nation. It is erected by them. If you look at the signers of the Declaration of Independence, if you look at the forefathers, you'll see who was involved at the very beginning of this thing. And I'm not saying that all our forefathers are bad or evil. They certainly are not. They created the greatest nation ever known to man. But some of them were Illuminati and there's no denying that the course that they set us upon was, in the end, self-defeating for us.

Bill Cooper: 51:52

You know, it occurs to me that I need to tell you folks out there, something. This young man who's on this program is a member of the Citizens Agency for Joint Intelligence, and there are literally hundreds of brave men and women all over this country and the world who are gathering information, bringing the truth out into the open. This young man on this show has risked his life to tell you what he's telling you tonight, and if his identity were ever to be discovered, he could be murdered by the secret societies that he is revealing. He is one of my heroes.

Bill Cooper: 52:27

Most of the people in Khajiit who are helping us to do this, most of them working in intense secret in dangerous situations. We have people who have infiltrated satanic organizations and are feeding us the information on their rituals and who they are and what they're all about, and the instant that they were to be discovered, they would be murdered. I hope you understand that. Let's go back to will you've got something in front of you? Uh, and I believe it's a list of three masons throughout history uh, that people would recognize their names and if they don't really recognize their names, they could go to any reference book in the in barring these names in their biographies in any library? Uh, would you like to uh tell our listening audience, uh, who some of these people are?

William Morgan: 53:19

uh, yeah, there's some really names that you'll really recognize here. But before I do, let me thank you, bill Cooper, for reminding me that my brothers might murder me. Just for telling the truth, here's one Colonel Buzz Aldrin, simon Bolivar, omar Bradley, edmund Burke, richard Bird, kit Carson, walter Chrysler, buffalo Bill, cody, ty Cobb, winston Churchill the list just goes on and on. Gordon Cooper, edwin Drake, jack Dempsey, cecil B DeMille.

Bill Cooper: 53:55

You know, you mentioned Winston Churchill, and one of the things that the listening audience does not know is that not only Winston Churchill was a Freemason, but so was Harry Truman and so was Mr Stalin. So when they had their meeting at Yalta, here was three 33rd degree Freemasons deciding the fate of the world. And for all of you who couldn't figure out why they made the decisions that they made at yalta that so screwed up the world, now you know, please continue thanks, bill.

William Morgan: 54:31

Yeah, they should have just held that yalta meeting in a lodge and been a bit open about it. Um, okay, here's some. Uh, here's some more for us. Uh, duke ellingtonton, henry Ford, benjamin Franklin, clark Gable, john Glenn. Uh, glett and Richard Gatlin, inventor of the Gatling gun. Samuel Gompers. Uh, prince Hall, manly Palmer. Uh, oh yeah, joseph Guillotine, who invented the guillotine. We'll be seeing more of that later. Oh boy, there's just simply not time. Edgar Hoover, sam Houston.

Bill Cooper: 55:02

For those of you who did not understand his reference to, we'll be seeing more of the guillotine later. When the New World Order actually succeeds in taking control of the world, executions will be public and the secret societies believe in blood atonement. In other words, you can only atone for your wrongdoing by your works or by the shedding of your blood blood atonement. So in these public executions there will have to be the maximum amount of blood. Public executions will be held as an object lesson to the rest of the population not to oppose the new world order, for it is the most terrible, terrifying experience to see someone literally beheaded, is intended to cow everyone else and is, in fact, will be, in fact, a ritualistic sacrifice to the god of the secret societies, who we all know now is Lucifer, also known as Satan.

William Morgan: 56:03

Yeah, you know, Bill. It just dawned on me just what a fun guy you really are. Here's a short list of presidents of the United States who have been Masons George Washington, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, James Polk, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, James Garfield, William McKinley, Teddy Roosevelt, William Taft, Warren Harding, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Gerald Ford. And I also know for a fact that George Bush was a Mason and that Ronald Reagan was made a Mason on sight. Like I said, the list just goes on and on, and these are not even a partial, partial fraction of a percent of the famous Masons that have existed throughout history.

Bill Cooper: 56:41

Well, John Wayne was a Freemason, wasn't he?

William Morgan: 56:43

The Duke. The Duke was a Freemason, absolutely true.

Bill Cooper: 56:46

And you know we're not in any way belittling the accomplishments or the contributions to society of any of these people. We just wanted to let you know that this covers all areas of society, all levels of society, all occupations, and that many famous people whom you all recognize have been or are members of these secret societies. Now, many of them are taken in as window dressing, in other words, they don't really know what they're a part of. They're told that it's a fraternal organization existing for the good of the community. And, of course, in any organization, if you can get famous celebrities to belong, that's a feather in your cap, because the public for some reason thinks that if a celebrity belongs to something then there can be nothing wrong with it. But that's the way people believe.

William Morgan: 57:38

That's absolutely true. Most of the celebrity names that I mention in this list are there just simply as window dressings to give a good appearance to the craft, but some of them absolutely are not. And I'm reading still from this book published by Masonic Publishing Company, and it states that Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon Church, was absolutely and undeniably a Freemason.

Bill Cooper: 58:01

Did you find Giuseppe Mazzini in there?

William Morgan: 58:03

Yeah, I sure did. I should have done the homework. It's Giuseppe Mazzini, 1805 to 1872, Italian patriot.

Bill Cooper: 58:09

He was also one of the the best friends and correspondents of Albert Pike, who was the head of World Freemasonry for a while and the head of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in this country. He established, with others, the Ku Klux Klan, the branch of freemasonry known as B'nai B'reth which the ADL operates out of, and the ADL folks for those of you who don't know it are under intense investigation now for spying upon agencies and departments of the United States government and police departments and actually stealing records and passing them on to the secret societies and to the state of Israel. So you'd really better wake up out there and don't give me this stuff. That it's the Jews, that it's the Jews, the blacks, that it's this, it's that, it's not, it's not Ordinary people like you and me I don't care what their skin color is are just like you and me and all they want to do is live in peace. There are elements and organizations and people belonging to all the different ethnic groups. All of the different organizations, corporations, governments anything that you want to name belong to these secret societies. The Jews have been used as scapegoats throughout history.

Bill Cooper: 59:23

The Freemasonic organization and the secret societies in general are racist. They believe that the races, the white Caucasian races in Europe, germany, england, are the superior race, are the real Israelites. They are the ones who have orchestrated and brought about the state of Israel. They are the ones who maintain the force of Zionism active in the world. The Mormon Church is a great part of this.

Bill Cooper: 1:00:00

I mean, if you just get down and dirty on this, you'll find that what I'm telling you is absolutely true. And one of their main weapons that they use against us is to divide us against each other, so that while we're running around stabbing each other in the back, they are putting the chains on all of us. And when are you people going to realize that and understand it All? During the Cold War, there were no Russian families sitting around their table plotting on how to do away with Americans, and there weren't any American families doing that either. All of us were concerned with our children, with putting food on the table, with educating our children, with trying to build some kind of a good life. That's all that ordinary people care about. It doesn't matter what race they belong to what religion they belong to.

William Morgan: 1:00:51

Bravo, Bill. If there's a lesson that the listeners can go home with, it is that stop this racist divisionism. Come together and see the enemy for who it is. Like I said on the last program, you cannot enjoy the protection of the secret societies forever. With a little bit of homework, you can find out who financed Hitler in World War II. Anybody that knows history knows that as soon as Hitler got to where he was at, in power, who did he initiate a pogrom against? It wasn't just Jews. He got rid of all the Freemasons who were the window dressing men in Germany and in Austria who put him where he was at and protected his interests. He zapped them, he nuked them. They were gone. They joined the Jews and the gypsies in the concentration camps and they were never heard from again and to this day, many German Freemasons wear a small flower on their lapel in remembrance of that tragic event. You cannot enjoy that protection forever. You are doomed to fail if you depend on these people for your life.

Bill Cooper: 1:01:46

That's correct. Remember, the primary method that they use is this Conflict creates change. They create the conflict that they know will bring about the solution that they want. They get it to appear as if the people are screaming for the solution and then they give it to them, something that the people would never have accepted in the first place. But remember conflict creates change. They believe in the Hegelian principle of conflict resolution.

Bill Cooper: 1:02:16

You have a thesis, an antithesis, and the clash of these two creates the solution to the problem which they've been aiming for all along. Now you also have to understand that controlled conflict creates desired results or change. So the method of bringing about controlled conflict is to have your people leading both sides of the conflict. So when you talk about Republican or Democrat, forget it At the highest level, they're both the same. When you talk about populist versus communist or whatever it is, forget it At the highest level. They all belong to the same organization.

Bill Cooper: 1:02:59

When you look around in the patriot movement, remember most of the leaders in the patriot movement are on the same side and belong to the same organizations as the leaders of the secret societies that are trying to destroy this country. The conflict between the two which they are trying to create now will ensure the destruction of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights. And then they will step forward with the answer A thousand years of peace under the United Nations, but you're going to have to make concessions to get it. You're going to have to give up your freedoms, your individual rights, but they will protect you. If you buy that, folks, you are indeed a fool. Does this confirm what you've discovered in your quest for the truth?

William Morgan: 1:03:50

It certainly does. It is history repeating itself with empty promises of nirvana and utopia on earth. That has never come true, and you always have to be the one to pay for it. Always, it's just. These people do not believe in a fair fight. They do not join a race that they have not fixed. They don't take those kind of risks.

Bill Cooper: 1:04:13

Okay, you've got about ten seconds. If you had the ability to say something to the American people and to the world, what would it be?

William Morgan: 1:04:21

It would be to wake up folks. Look, you've got an enemy out there. They're coming together. There's a convention of Southern Baptists that have come against the Freemasons meeting in Houston in 15, 16, 17 of June of this year. I suggest that you look into that.

Bill Cooper: 1:04:36

Welcome Will once again to the hour of the time.

William Morgan: 1:04:40

Thanks, bill, it's a pleasure to be here.

Bill Cooper: 1:04:43

Tonight we decided that we're going to talk about some of the symbology connected with the rites of Freemasonry, the secret symbols of identification and things of that nature. Wherever you want to start, go right ahead Wherever you want to start?

William Morgan: 1:05:01

go right ahead, okay. Well, all the important symbols and passwords are incorporated into the first three degrees. The handshake, I think, is the most widely used Masonic symbol. It consists of an ordinary handshake, except the thumb of the person who is a Mason goes onto the third knuckle of the right hand of the person he's shaking hands with. If you've ever shaken hands with somebody and they seem to have a funny grip, or possibly even I always thought it seemed kind of feminine to me because the hand just wasn't strongly wrapped around your hand when you're shaking hands with somebody, you can have a pretty good idea that they're trying to feel you out and see whether you're a mason. Like they are the first two degrees, that was the hand grip of the third degree. The first two degrees are the same except, first degree, the thumb goes on the first knuckle and the second degree, the thumb goes on the second knuckle. But those are very, very rarely used.

Bill Cooper: 1:05:55

And in the master mason or the third degree the thumb is on the third knuckle. That's correct. Yes, sir. And how would you reply to that if you were, in fact, a Freemason?

William Morgan: 1:06:06

You do the exact same. It becomes a combined grip and your thumb is on his third knuckle and his thumb will be on your third knuckle and you can't miss it if somebody tries to slip you this handshake.

Bill Cooper: 1:06:17

So it's not really a true handshake in the sense of the word that most people have learned to shake hands. You don't have a full grip of the other person's hand, but rather you just have a sort of a loose grip on their fingers and your thumb is either on the first, second or third knuckle and you're sort of digging with that thumb to try to get a reaction, to see if the other person is indeed a Freemason and at what level.

William Morgan: 1:06:44

That's true, that's true. And if they do not respond as such, the person will withdraw his hand quickly. But if he's not sure, he'll seem to kind of extend his grip just a little bit to kind of give you a chance to return the sign.

Bill Cooper: 1:06:58

They call it a sign now, besides the, the handshake, what other signs or signals are used to identify one freemason to another?

William Morgan: 1:07:08

the most subtle one, and the one that you often have to look out for in public places, is how a man stands. His, the position of his feet will be a dead giveaway. Most people stand, and just a leisurely position, with their feet pointing outward just slightly, but a Freemason will stand with his feet in an exact square, at a right angle, heel to heel. This is the step they call the step of a Master Mason, the step of an Entered Apprentice. A First Degree Mason is where the feet form a sort of T, with the heel going to the cup of the other foot, and the second degree is an inverse of the third degree, with another square being formed.

Bill Cooper: 1:07:50

So if you see someone standing in a room with their two heels joined together and their feet forming a perfect right angle or a 90 degree angle, you can pretty much bet that that's such an unnatural stance that that is a dead giveaway that that person is a master mason.

William Morgan: 1:08:07

Unnatural and uncomfortable, I might add to anybody who's stood there. You're forced to stand like this when you become initiated and also when you return the ritual. You have to do memory work and memorize the ritual and then give it back before you are raised to the sublime degree of a master mason. Uh, yeah, it's. It's a dead giveaway, because nobody stands like that. Naturally, it's just not a comfortable position to stand and why would someone stand like that?

Bill Cooper: 1:08:32

would they do that in a room full of strangers? To let other freemasons who might be in the room know that it's okay to come and have some kind of a fellowship with them because they're a Freemason?

William Morgan: 1:08:44

I myself have stood just like that for that very purpose, because it's just noticeable. It's a way of broadcasting who you are and talking to the rest of the world without the rest of the world being able to interpret what exactly you are saying.

Bill Cooper: 1:08:59

In other words, if you're not a Mason, you might look over and say, boy, that guy's kind of a nut, Look at the way he's standing Whereas a Freemason would say that's a brother of the craft. I'm going to go and meet this fellow.

William Morgan: 1:09:15

Absolutely. That's generally the way it works. Most people just aren't aware of all these signs and symbols incorporated into the craft, but a mason lives and breathes these things. Every time he goes to lodge he takes on this position, he does the hand signals, he gives the he will often. He usually gives the handshake to his fellow brothers just to keep in practice. These, these things are so much a part of masonry and of Masons that they spot them wherever they go.

Bill Cooper: 1:09:43

Okay, so we know the handshake, we know the heel-to-heel and the right angle we talked in the last broadcast about I raise my hand to the square or I raise my arm to the square, and what are some of the others?

William Morgan: 1:09:58

Well, the others are the hand signals, and these are also used in every single lodge meeting, and these are to Masons. These are what are most easily and most commonly used to communicate between Masons their identity Of the first degree. The hand signal is you take your left hand palm upward and put it near your waist, is you take your left hand palm upward and put it near your waist, and then your right hand palm downward just above your left hand, forming a bit of a cube, and you hold your hands like such, and that's the symbol of the hand signal of the first degree. Now, the penal sign, as they call it, is taking the right hand and drawing it in a slashing motion across the neck, and this refers to the penalty of the first degree, which is having your throat slit from ear to ear now, if this were truly a benevolent, fraternal organization, why in the world would they have an oath and a penal sign to tell other members that that they could have their throat slit?

Bill Cooper: 1:10:57

and there are many others, depending upon what degree and what oath we're talking about. Why would they do that if they were really and truly a benevolent? And there are many others, depending upon what degree and what oath we're talking about. Why would they do that if they were really and truly a benevolent, fraternal organization, bearing in mind that grown men take their oaths very seriously, if they understand the oaths and they're not being defrauded or lied to when they take the oath and fully intend to carry out whatever oaths that they take. This is not a joke. They're not children. This is not play on the playground.

William Morgan: 1:11:25

The question answers itself. You're absolutely right. This is not a joke. In fact, it's deadly serious. These are the heart secrets of the majority of the craft. Even though they're not illuminated brethren, even though they don't really know what's going on around them or what they're doing, they have sworn to keep these secrets, above all else because if a non-Mason or a member of the profane knows these secrets, he can just walk right into a lodge and sit down and be exposed to everything within.

Bill Cooper: 1:11:54

I hope you're listening, folks Now, just for the benefit of our listeners. Or someone who may have just tuned in. Are any of your fellow Brother Masons out here who may be listening now? You took the oath, but you're revealing the secrets. Why are you revealing the secrets if you took the oath?

William Morgan: 1:12:12

Because I took the oath under a fraudulent contract. As such, I was told that it was a benevolent organization, that it dealt with charity, that it was arranged around God. All three of those things are bold-faced lies, and I can prove their falsehood. In fact, anybody can prove their falsehood with just a moment's bit of research. There are many more reliable sources than I for information that you can go to to find out the true nature of this craft, and many religions in the world, including the Baptists and the Mormons, have condemned Freemasonry as being exactly what it purports not to be. It's not benevolent, it's not charity organized and it's not centered around God.

Bill Cooper: 1:12:50

Well, it's funny that you mention that the Mormons have condemned Freemasonry when they carry out the exact same rituals that are carried out on Masonic Lodge in their temple ceremonies. And most Mormons are indeed, as was Joseph Smith, members of the Masonic Lodge. Our research shows that the public statements of the Mormon Church are often and I mean often contradictory to their true beliefs and what they really practice in their daily lives within the temple, to their true beliefs and what they really practice in their daily lives within the temple. They are, in fact, a secret society, a secret organization that practices the same rites as the Masonic Lodge within their temple and have the same goal, and that is that the practitioners of the religion of the Mormon Church will in fact become God. And that is, of course, what the other secret societies and we're talking right now, the freemasons they're really all the same organization they're working toward becoming god it is.

William Morgan: 1:13:49

It's a quest after godhood. And uh, all I can say about the mormons and their many, many similarities to masons is that a pagan is the pagan. As a pagan, it's nature worship. They believe in the laws of the universe as being what they have to answer to, and if you know these laws, you can manipulate the populace. It's elitism at its very best.

Bill Cooper: 1:14:11

Now let me ask you this for the benefit of our listeners also. Many people write me letters and say, hey, my dad or my uncle or my cousin or my friend is a Freemason and I've asked them about these things. And or my cousin or my friend is a Freemason and I've asked them about these things and they've told me that it's not true, that it's all a lie. Will Freemasons lie to hide the truth?

William Morgan: 1:14:30

Every single time if the truth will give away what they don't want to give away. In fact, I've been lied to by brothers in the craft that are allegedly or supposedly teaching me and instructing me. And what goes on? They, if they told the truth, it would scare away their members and what it would end up in? Universal condemnation of what they're doing. No reasonable and moral person could could possibly subject subject themselves as such bloody oaths and to such total secrecy not only that, but the oaths themselves.

Bill Cooper: 1:14:58

They're sworn to secre. So if you were to ask them to tell you the secrets or the truth about the practices, the rituals, the true religion of the Masonic Lodge, they are sworn not to tell you. So therefore they would have to lie. And the only reason that you are telling is because you discovered that the oaths that you had taken and the purposes for which you thought the Masonic fraternity was organized, it just is not true at all.

William Morgan: 1:15:29

So therefore, everything that you participated in, you participated in under fraudulent conditions yeah, that is exactly true and as such, I don't consider myself to be bound by those oaths because I was lied to before I entered into those oaths. This is common law, this is the law of many lands, and it also makes perfect common sense that both parties have to know what is going on in all terms of the contract before they can be held accountable for their deeds within that contract that's correct before they can be held accountable for their deeds within that contract.

Bill Cooper: 1:16:04

That's correct. And the oath that you took, you thought were for a different purpose and to a different God than the God that you discovered and the purpose that you finally discovered. So, folks out there, when you go and ask your relatives or your friends or your cousins or your business associates questions about the lodge, about Freemasonry, about any secret society, no matter what name it is the Rosencross Knights, templars, the Knights of Malta, the order of st John of Jerusalem, any of these people they cannot and will not tell you the truth because it is forbidden to them and, in fact, if they do, they could find themselves suffering the consequences of the very oaths they took not to reveal these secrets. Now, what are some of the other signs that we have not discussed?

William Morgan: 1:16:50

Okay, I covered the first degree. The second degree we've also partially covered. The sign of the second degree is to hold your right arm extended outward, with the elbow at a right angle and the hand facing up palm forward, and the penal sign of that is to draw your right hand across your chest from left to right in a claw-like motion. It refers to the penalty of the second degree, which is to have your breast torn open and your heart and vials taken thence and given to the birds of the air and beasts of the field. That's an exact quote from the ritual, by the way. And the third degree consists of both hands palmed down, extended outward at the waist, and then to draw the hand across the waist from left to right, which refers to have your body torn in twain, which is the penalty of revealing the secrets of the third degree is to have your body torn in twain and the parts carried north and south. That is again a direct quote from the ritual.

Bill Cooper: 1:17:54

So the first one is the recognition signal and the second is what you call the penal sign.

William Morgan: 1:17:59

Yes, yes, that's true.

Bill Cooper: 1:18:01

And are there other signs and signals connected with Freemasonry?

William Morgan: 1:18:04

There are many others. There is a recognition signal and a penal sign for every single degree in Freemasonry and I have been through the 32nd degree and have experienced all these recognition signals and penal signs. But all the signs, but the all the signs after the third degree are not nearly as important as the first three. And the reason for this is is because Masons in general are just not invited to know all the secrets of the order. It is not uncommon to know a Mason, as you've stated before, who never, ever advances beyond the third degree. And I should state now that a Mason who, who is in the third degree, he can be the master of his lodge, the worshipful master, they call it, of his lodge, which is a bit like an elected. It is an elected office, a bit like president, that lasts for one year.

Bill Cooper: 1:18:54

Not all Masons are in the Scottish Rite or the Shrine or the Yorkish Rite, but all Masons do know the signs of the first three degrees and the penal signs and in fact, most masons um are really only guilty of joining an organization they know nothing about and for giving it um protection and uh in favor and helping it along, but they really don't know what it's all about true, true that true.

William Morgan: 1:19:20

They don't. They're as ignorant as I was, and if they're out there listening, I'd like to say that you can follow the exact same path I have followed. Now that you know the truth about the craft, whether you believe me or not, you should go out and verify for yourself, and once you do verify for yourself, you are no longer bound by those oaths either.

Bill Cooper: 1:19:46

They are fraudulent and they are. They're ridiculous and unreasonable and brutal in many ways. Not only that, but once you do know about it, you are no longer innocent, but you are. If you don't do something about it or leave the lodge or do as this young gentleman is doing, help us to um, to relieve ourselves from the yoke of these secret societies who are planning on stripping us of our freedoms and our rights. If you don't, then you are a fellow conspirator and are just as guilty as those who have always known.

Bill Cooper: 1:20:11

And you better understand that, because I'm telling you right now, patriots in this country are getting fed up and the purpose of this show is to prevent bloodshed. We want to wake people up and do something about this while we can, legally and lawfully, because, folks, there will come a day when people will not take it anymore and they will take weapons in hand. Unfortunately, we can see it coming. Anybody with half a brain can look around and talk to people and see that that day is going to come, because nothing's getting better, it's only getting worse, and we don't want that to happen. That's why we're doing this, that's why I've dedicated my life and that's why I've suffered so much in my life. To try to wake people up is to prevent that kind of thing, and they are dead set upon seeing their dream come true aren't they?

William Morgan: 1:21:07

well, they have dedicated their lives, their labors and indeed their, their entire faith, to this, and you have not exaggerated or overrated the problem at all. This is dangerous. Uh, people, the these men mean business. Uh, the scottish right themselves have taken a public stance totally in support of public education by the government. Now, all you need to do is look at how screwed up your schools are and then turn around and look how screwed up your kids are, and you've got a big, big, rich organization out there with incredible political power and widespread influence that is supporting this current failed system. This is just one isolated example. If you are not part of the solution and you have even been just a tenacity bit exposed to the truth then you are part of the problem.

Bill Cooper: 1:21:49

That's correct and we know that public education conducted and supervised and organized and funded by the government is one of the planks of the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels. Now, why would Americans ever support such a thing? The strength of our educational system before it began to self-destruct was that it was always handled, funded and governed and maintained and approved and everything else on a local level. In other words, the school system in my town might be different from the school system in someone else's town 100 miles away, but it would be controlled, governed, decided, textbooks would be chosen everything on a local level. Our schools did not begin to self-destruct until the state got into the school system and then the federal government began to poke into it, and specifically when teachers, colleges funded by the Carnegie, the Ford and the the Rockefeller Institute's began to change what they taught teachers to teach children, and when that happened, when it became an organized, funded, dictated to type thing, then it began to fall apart. And the less control on the local level, the less our children are educated.

William Morgan: 1:23:14

You've hit the nail right on the head. As you've stated in your own book Behold a Pale Horse. The true enemy is not communism but illuminism. Held a pale horse. But the true enemy is is not communism but Illuminism.

William Morgan: 1:23:25

When, when the Berlin Wall fell and the Eastern Europe was opened up, it wasn't all the American companies that beat up path to the, to their door to go open up these markets and make money. There were two groups, and they were both religious in nature. One were the evangelist, who went over there to try to spread the word of their, of their religion, and the other were Fre evangelist, who went over there to try to spread the word of their, of their religion, and the other were freemasons who stepped in just the very moment that the communists stepped out. Already, lodges have been consecrated in saint petersburg and moscow and several other major cities, and they're just popping up all over you. You've got people, very old men, who actually remember when the lodges were around before stalin wiped them out, and uh, they're bringing them back to replace the communist masters that they just got rid of.

Bill Cooper: 1:24:05

And the only reason that Stalin did away with the lodges in the Soviet Union was because Stalin was a 33rd degree Freemason. He knew how he had risen to power, he knew what the organization was and he didn't want them turning against him, so he got rid of them.

William Morgan: 1:24:20

Absolutely. There's subversives. They got him, just like Hitler. They got him to where he wanted to be and he's not going to let anybody put him out of place with the same tools that he rose to power with.

Bill Cooper: 1:24:30

Okay, well, we're making a lot of progress here. If you were to walk into a room and see two grown men hugging, what would you look for as identifying traits that would tell you that these two men hugging were Freemasons hmm, there is a certain patterned ritual that goes that has something to do with that.

William Morgan: 1:24:49

it deals with the interchange of the one of the most secret passwords of Freemasonry. And you must go, you must stand foot to foot with another mason, knee to knee, hand to back and mouth to ear and then whisper the secret word in a very low voice. And I'm not going to do any of those things, I'm just going to tell you the word is Mahabalm, and I don't even know what it means, but I do know where it comes from, and it comes from the ancient Hindu religion, which is the original pagan religion, and many of the other secret words in freemasonry are of an exact same source and they call this the five points of fellowship, do they not?

William Morgan: 1:25:26

they do you.

Bill Cooper: 1:25:27

You've done your homework well I know more about freemasonry in the secret societies than most members of freemasonry in the secret societies ever will. Um and um. I was, as I've told my listeners and as I've published in my book, a member of D-Malay. When I was a teenager I went to exactly three meetings and D-Malay folks is a branch of Freemasonry for children, for teenagers actually and I attended three meetings and my father was transferred to Japan and I never attended another meeting ever.

Bill Cooper: 1:26:04

But I do believe that that's what got me in fact. I know it is. That's what opened the door for me to enter as a member of the Office of Naval Intelligence. Many years later, when I filled out my forms for security clearance, there was nothing on there for the Order of DemolLA, but I knew that it was a branch of Freemasonry. So I checked Freemasonry and, by golly, all of a sudden, things began to open for me that had never opened for me before and which most people who are not Freemasons find impossible to enter into. And I was surprised for a while and a little mystified until I discovered the real reason. But every member of naval intelligence that I ever met was a Freemason and most of them wore their rings. What are these rings? How can someone identify the ring of a Freemason?

William Morgan: 1:26:54

It sticks out like a sore thumb. It looks a bit like a fraternity ring or a football ring or any other signet ring and on the very top of the ring will be a square and compass set in what looks like a large a shape, with the square on the bottom and the compass on the top, forming what looks a bit like an a, but it's not. You can tell how seriously one takes their position in the craft the, the Masons, who are really there for genuine reasons, philanthropic and charity work. They have their square and compass facing to them and those that are trying to impress and enforce the buddy system that got you in naval intelligence and the backscratching whole thing. They wear theirs facing the outside to tell everybody else in the world who they are.

Bill Cooper: 1:27:36

But really the only ones who really know unless you were to ask them what that ring meant are fellow craft masons Absolutely, I shouldn't say fellow craft, that's the second degree, our fellow brothers of the law. You've got something there you want to say, I think.

William Morgan: 1:27:55

Yeah, I'd like to give a little message to my brother masons out there. I know that all those who are listening are thinking some pretty hard thoughts about me. You're thinking things like that I'm a traitor to the craft. Well, I'm thinking that you're a traitor to your country, and if you think that I've betrayed my brothers I feel that you've betrayed me with your deception. If you believe that I've broken my oaths and even if those oaths are valid something that I do not believe I think they're null and void Well then I just have to say this so what we all got to go Now, my brothers can go quietly into slavery, live in a lie and bury their heads in the sand, or you can go like a man, squarely facing the truth and fighting for freedom. I honestly believe this and I honestly believe that the whole nature of the craft is sinister.

Bill Cooper: 1:28:36

Wow, that's quite a statement there, and I certainly admire you for saying that. I had no idea that you were going to do that. In fact, you showed me the piece of paper just as the music was beginning to fade out and indicated to me that you wanted to say something. So, yeah, wow, that's pretty good. Okay, let's get on into the rest of the program. What are some of the other signs and signals that the secret society spring masons in general use to identify themselves to each other?

William Morgan: 1:29:08

I've never been a member of any other secret society besides spring masonry and, much to my joy and to your good fortune out there, I have already told you most of the secrets that are protected by the craft, as far as the common layman of the craft will know, with the exception of one and uh. That is concerning Hiram Abiff, who is a bit of a patron saint, I guess, of Freemasonry, somebody they pulled from the bible and turned into a character to uh, to give a meaning to their, to their ritual. Um, when, when two masons come together, one of the easiest ways that they'll come to know each other without having to shake hands, hug in the middle of the street or do little foot dances or whatever kind of nonsense that they're doing out there they'll just come up and say, well, hi, hiram, how are you doing? Or hello, mr Abiff. Or if you want to catch a mason on the phone, you just tell him that H Abiff is calling and, believe me, you'll get service right away well, that's good to know.

Bill Cooper: 1:30:01

We can. We can certainly use information like that, but we know that some of the symbols and signals and signs used in the in the Masonic order were also used by the Knights, templars and others, so this didn't come strictly from this one society, but literally they are all one. What are some of the vocal signals, the speech, what words? Besides hire, mobile, what else would you say to someone to solicit whether or not they were in fact Freemasons?

William Morgan: 1:30:36

one of them that that I've also come across and I've seen this in writing and it's it was a bit of a mystery to me until I sought some advice about it. They'll ask each other if they're a traveling man and what they mean by it, and this comes directly from the old Templar ritual and it stands as a positive factual link of the continuity between ancient secret societies and modern Freemasonry is. They'll ask if they're a traveling man and the meaning behind that is one traveling from west to east, east being the source of knowledge our illumination.

Bill Cooper: 1:31:11

Now, it's also the point where the Sun rises, which goes back to the first religion, which was the cosmology, where all of these religions and secret societies sprang from, which was the worship of the Sun, the source of illumination, the source of warmth, the source of all life, the source of everything, rises in the East every morning and is in fact, for those who really understand, the morning star. Is that not correct?

William Morgan: 1:31:35

absolutely that.

William Morgan: 1:31:36

That gives a great illumination if I may say so as to why the worshipful master sits in the east of the lodge, and also why, during the ritual, when a young, unknowing Freemason like myself is brought in and has a degree conferred upon him, he circumnavigates it as he walks around in a circle from all the points of the lodge, going from the worshipful master in the east to the junior warden in the south, to the senior warden in the west and then back to the master of the lodge, going from the worship of the Master in the East to the Junior Warden in the South, to the Senior Warden in the West and then back to the Master in the East. He is traveling as the earth travels around the sun in a circle of worship, and it might even be a direct reference to Solomon's circle, and you've told me yourself, bill, about the traveling man. That too has been used by communists, hasn't it?

Bill Cooper: 1:32:20

Yes, in fact, anyone who knows anything about the Internationale or the secret society known as the International, the Internationality Communist Party, the International Socialists, socialism, if you studied them, the same passwords are used by them. All of these organizations are one. Socialism stems from the mystery schools. That's where it comes from. You'll find that most of the mystery schools preach the tenets of the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, whom, by the way, just wrote it. They were the hacks who fronted for it. They did not make it up, it came out of ancient documents and an ancient philosophy. And the password is the same Are you a traveling man? And that's how communists identified themselves to each other, from cell to cell and country to country, and kept their business secret. And I got that straight out of the files of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and their investigations of the International, the Communist Party, international Socialism. They're all the same. Freemasonry, the Knights of Malta, the Rosencross cross, they're all the same organization, folks.

Bill Cooper: 1:33:45

And one of the remember, one of their tenants is and in fact adam weishaupt said this the strength of our order lies in its concealment and in its many different names, appearing under many different names and many different occupations, sometimes, sometimes even appearing to oppose ourselves, but at the highest levels they're all the same, because they use the system to coerce the people to go along with what they want. If they want to change something in a certain direction, they'll look at the population, the society, the problems that exist and they will intentionally create, foment, a problem, in order to get the people to cry for an answer to that problem, which will be the direction that they want to take that society into. They will create two opposing groups. At the top of these two opposing groups will be their people, two opposing groups. At the top of these two opposing groups will be their people, so that it's a controlled conflict bringing about a controlled resolution or a controlled, a desired end.

Bill Cooper: 1:34:50

Um, you guys, better wake up to this, I'm telling you. You better wake up to it. You better pay attention to what you're hearing here. Being afraid is not going to solve our problems, because fear itself is a weapon that they use against us. So I mean, why, if, if the majority of people are sheeple and aren't going to help save their own butts, why should, why should you be doing this to save them will? Why are you doing?

William Morgan: 1:35:18

this. I have a very, very easy answer for your question and you already know the answer. It's obvious that you're doing this for the for the sake of your audience. Whenever you look at your daughter, whenever you, I look at my family, whenever I slap my dog upside the head, that's why I'm doing it, because I love people in this world and I love my people, and my people are not going to be safe. And until I can make this world safe, I see them in direct, direct danger.

William Morgan: 1:35:40

And I'd like to say, bill, you have a wonderful way of cutting right to the heart of many matters. You're right about the continuity of the secret societies. They are all one. And I'm here to tell you he did not just flip through a few books and see a couple of things and say, okay, they're all one, they're all evil. It's not that easy, folks. We have to read and research and research, and research and investigate every single corner of this. And, believe me, if it looks like a snake and it slithers like a snake and it hisses like a snake, well, go ahead and step on its head, because it's a snake.

Bill Cooper: 1:36:08

And uh and uh, Uh. Well, it is a snake If we go right to. The philosophy of all of these secret societies is that man was held prisoner in the Garden of Eden by an unjust, vindictive God, that he was denied his own chance to become a God and that Lucifer, through his agent Satan, set man free with the gift of intellect, the gift of knowledge, and with that knowledge, man himself can become God. Remember, remember the promise that Satan made to Eve was that God was lying to them, that if they did indeed eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge, they would become gods. Don't ever forget that those who say they are God, those who say they are going to become God, the members of the secret societies, the Mormon church, others who profess this belief, are practicing the Luciferian philosophy. They have deserted the real, true God and they are following the fallen angel of light, lucifer, satan, who is not a God at all. They have all been deceived. If you are one of them, remember we don't hate you, we are not trying to hurt you. It is only when you practice your religion with the aim of taking away my freedoms and forcing me to practice your religion under a new world, totalitarian socialist government which you intend to bring about, that it becomes not only my business but my duty to stop. You understand that and I want to read to you from a book here so that you'll understand where I'm getting to.

Bill Cooper: 1:37:51

This is taken from secrets, the secret societies of all ages and countries. It's in two volumes. It's the author is Hecateorn. This particular set of two volumes was published, I believe, in 1965 by University Books Inc. The Library of Congress number is 65-22572. So I urge you to get this set of books, because these books were written back when it was still easy to get a lot of information on the existing secret societies, much easier than it is today.

Bill Cooper: 1:38:27

I want to read to you from page 14 of volume 2 under Secret Societies, freemasonry Rights and Customs, paragraph 391, entitled Masonic Customs the paraphernalia of their respective degrees. They date from the year of light. The Knights of the Sun, the 28th degree of the Scotch Rite, acknowledge no era but always write their date with seven knots or 000000. No one can be admitted into the Masonic Order before the age of 21, but an exception is made in this country and in France in favor of the sons of Masons, who may be initiated at the age of 18. Such a person is called a Louis in England, and that's the source of that name, and a Louverture in France. This latter word signifies a young wolf, and the reader will remember that in the mysteries of Isis, the candidate was made to wear the mask of a wolf's head. Hence a wolf and a candidate in these mysteries were and are synonymous.

Bill Cooper: 1:39:58

Macrobius, in his Saturnalia, says that the ancients perceived a relationship between the sun, the great symbol of these mysteries, and a wolf, for as the flocks of sheep and cattle disperse at the sight of the wolf, so the flocks of stars disappear at the approach of the sun's light. We have seen in the account of the French workmen's unions that the sons of Solomon still call themselves wolves. The adoption of the Louvetou into the lodge takes place with a ceremony resembling that of baptism the temple is covered with flowers, incense is burnt and the Godfather is enjoined not only to provide for the bodily wants of the newborn member, but also to bring him up in the school of truth and justice. The child receives a new name, generally that of a virtue such as veracity, devotion, beneficence, and the Godfather pronounces for him the oath of apprentice, in which degree he is received into the order which, in case he should become an orphan, supports and establishes human life. Now, the key words here, folks, that I want you to remember and pay very close attention to is this, and I'm going to quote directly from it Quote Macrobius, in his Saturnalia says that the ancients perceived a relationship between the sun, the great symbol of those mysteries, and a wolf, for as the flocks of sheep and cattle disperse at the sight of the wolf, so the flocks of stars disappear at the approach of the sun's light.

Bill Cooper: 1:41:41

Now remember, in chapter one of my book, silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, there is a quote of these people who have declared a silent, quiet war upon the American people using silent weapons. That goes like this Quote A nation or world of people who will not use their intelligence are no better than animals who do not have intelligence. Such people are beasts of burden and stakes on the table by choice and consent. Unquote. In other words, cattle, and, of course, if they are the wolves, if they are the wolves, then you are the stakes on the table, if you are indeed one of the sheeple. Thanks for watching.